XP Hangs on Startup

"philo" <philo.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "Chris Darwin" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> Win XP Home SP 2 installed on one 40GB HD for about 5 weeks, all dialed
>> in
>> and working fine. Normal startup and shut down, about 30 seconds on the
> wait
>> screen.
>>
>> Loaded Ubuntu 7.10 64bit (Linux) on another 80GB hardrive. Dual boot,
>> Both
>> hardrives on the same IDE cable.
>>
>> This is a dual boot with a Linux boot manager.
>>
>> After that the XP install started hanging on startup, taking about 3 min
> on
>> the wait screen. All else was normal.
>>
>> Tried disconnecting the Linux HD and restoring the Windows mbr. The XP
> would
>> boot but it was still really slow to boot.
>>
>> Tried wiping the Linux install and slow NTFS formatting the 80GB
>> hardrive.
>> Then a fresh install of XP SP2 on the 80GB HD with the other 40GB HD
>> totally disconnected.
>>
>> Still the same unusual slow/hang on startup.
>>
>> How can this happen when it's a totally different and slow formatted HD
> from
>> the original problem install?
>>
>>
>> Asus P5P800
>> P4 3Ghz
>> 3 gb Corsair Ram
>> Nvidia Quadro FX 3000 8xAGP 256mg
>> Seagate 40gb IDE HD
>> Western Digital 80gb IDE HD
>>
>>
>
> Did you install the chipset drivers???
>
> Also...I'd run the mfg's HD diagnostic

Yes the chip drivers look good in device manager, the first XP install ran
really well for about 5 weeks.

I'll try the HD diagnostic but it's doubtful as both hardrives are showing
the same problem.
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> >
> > Did you install the chipset drivers???
> >
> > Also...I'd run the mfg's HD diagnostic
>
> Yes the chip drivers look good in device manager, the first XP install ran
> really well for about 5 weeks.
>
> I'll try the HD diagnostic but it's doubtful as both hardrives are showing
> the same problem.
>
>

I missed that portion...
you are right, not likely to be a HD problem if it's the same for both
drives.

however, just because Windows has installed all it's drivers OK...
many mobo's do require their own specific chipset drivers to get optimum
performance.

Check to make sure the HD is running in the DMA mode.

Note: also check the bios. A long shot here...but maybe some setting changed
in the bios
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> however, just because Windows has installed all it's drivers OK...
> many mobo's do require their own specific chipset drivers to get optimum
> performance.
>
> Check to make sure the HD is running in the DMA mode.
>
> Note: also check the bios. A long shot here...but maybe some setting
> changed
> in the bios

DMA mode is set to <auto>, looks like it's

Async DMA: MW DMA2
Ultra DMA: Ultra DMA-5

Okay, ran the Intel chipset utility to check/update the drivers. No change

Looked at the Bios, nothing obvious, tried all default settings. No change
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"philo" <philo RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote in message
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> <snip>
>> >
>> > Did you install the chipset drivers???
>> >
>> > Also...I'd run the mfg's HD diagnostic
>>
>> Yes the chip drivers look good in device manager, the first XP install
>> ran
>> really well for about 5 weeks.
>>
>> I'll try the HD diagnostic but it's doubtful as both hardrives are
>> showing
>> the same problem.
>>
>>
>
> I missed that portion...
> you are right, not likely to be a HD problem if it's the same for both
> drives.
>
> however, just because Windows has installed all it's drivers OK...
> many mobo's do require their own specific chipset drivers to get optimum
> performance.
>
> Check to make sure the HD is running in the DMA mode.
>
> Note: also check the bios. A long shot here...but maybe some setting
> changed
> in the bios

the Bios version is pretty new, the only ones newer don't have any changes
for this setup, just for newer CPU's.
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"Chris Darwin" <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Win XP Home SP 2 installed on one 40GB HD for about 5 weeks, all dialed in and working
> fine. Normal startup and shut down, about 30 seconds on the wait screen.
>
> Loaded Ubuntu 7.10 64bit (Linux) on another 80GB hardrive. Dual boot, Both hardrives on
> the same IDE cable.
>
> This is a dual boot with a Linux boot manager.
>
> After that the XP install started hanging on startup, taking about 3 min on the wait
> screen. All else was normal.
>
> Tried disconnecting the Linux HD and restoring the Windows mbr. The XP would boot but it
> was still really slow to boot.
>
> Tried wiping the Linux install and slow NTFS formatting the 80GB hardrive. Then a fresh
> install of XP SP2 on the 80GB HD with the other 40GB HD totally disconnected.
>
> Still the same unusual slow/hang on startup.
>
> How can this happen when it's a totally different and slow formatted HD from the
> original problem install?
>
>
> Asus P5P800
> P4 3Ghz
> 3 gb Corsair Ram
> Nvidia Quadro FX 3000 8xAGP 256mg
> Seagate 40gb IDE HD
> Western Digital 80gb IDE HD
>

common denominator= cable?
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> Asus P5P800
> P4 3Ghz
> 3 gb Corsair Ram
> Nvidia Quadro FX 3000 8xAGP 256mg
> Seagate 40gb IDE HD
> Western Digital 80gb IDE HD

Finally found the problem, it was a hardware issue.

First tried a drive wipe with a program from the ultimate boot CD,
re-installed fresh copy of XP, still hanging on startup. Got desparate and
started pulling all the peripherals and then the memory sticks, last thing
to pull was the SCSI pci card, pulled the card and the problem went away.

I had pulled the SCSI pci card out of an older PC and put it in this P5P800
box, around the same time that the Linux install was done. Apparently the
newer board didn't like it. The drivers are too old and only listed for Win
95 and Win 98. Even though it was running okay on the P5KSE with XP.

I have this really old SCSI scanner so guess I'm going to have to upgrade.

Think I'm going to keep the drives/OP systems as separate as possible, by
disconnecting the XP drive while loading the Linux one. Then make the boot
choice with the F8 key.
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Chris Darwin wrote:
>> Asus P5P800
>> P4 3Ghz
>> 3 gb Corsair Ram
>> Nvidia Quadro FX 3000 8xAGP 256mg
>> Seagate 40gb IDE HD
>> Western Digital 80gb IDE HD
>
> Finally found the problem, it was a hardware issue.
>
> First tried a drive wipe with a program from the ultimate boot CD,
> re-installed fresh copy of XP, still hanging on startup. Got desparate and
> started pulling all the peripherals and then the memory sticks, last thing
> to pull was the SCSI pci card, pulled the card and the problem went away.
>
> I had pulled the SCSI pci card out of an older PC and put it in this P5P800
> box, around the same time that the Linux install was done. Apparently the
> newer board didn't like it. The drivers are too old and only listed for Win
> 95 and Win 98. Even though it was running okay on the P5KSE with XP.
>
> I have this really old SCSI scanner so guess I'm going to have to upgrade.
>
> Think I'm going to keep the drives/OP systems as separate as possible, by
> disconnecting the XP drive while loading the Linux one. Then make the boot
> choice with the F8 key.
>
>

Maybe something like an Adaptec 2906 PCI SCSI card would work ?
I think it is narrow (8 bit).

http://www.pacificgeek.com/productimages/xl/WBIO065.jpg
http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/support/scsi/2900/AVA-2906/

One guy in this thread, got it to run under WinXP.
http://groups.google.ca/group/comp.periphs.scsi/browse_thread/thread/e...c781aa2

I use a 2906 with an old scanner (but it is on a Macintosh,
with Macintosh scanner software).

Paul
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> Chris Darwin wrote:
>>> Asus P5P800
>>> P4 3Ghz
>>> 3 gb Corsair Ram
>>> Nvidia Quadro FX 3000 8xAGP 256mg
>>> Seagate 40gb IDE HD
>>> Western Digital 80gb IDE HD
>>
>> Finally found the problem, it was a hardware issue.
>>
>> First tried a drive wipe with a program from the ultimate boot CD,
>> re-installed fresh copy of XP, still hanging on startup. Got desparate
>> and started pulling all the peripherals and then the memory sticks, last
>> thing to pull was the SCSI pci card, pulled the card and the problem went
>> away.
>>
>> I had pulled the SCSI pci card out of an older PC and put it in this
>> P5P800 box, around the same time that the Linux install was done.
>> Apparently the newer board didn't like it. The drivers are too old and
>> only listed for Win 95 and Win 98. Even though it was running okay on the
>> P5KSE with XP.
>>
>> I have this really old SCSI scanner so guess I'm going to have to
>> upgrade.
>>
>> Think I'm going to keep the drives/OP systems as separate as possible, by
>> disconnecting the XP drive while loading the Linux one. Then make the
>> boot choice with the F8 key.
>>
>>
>
> Maybe something like an Adaptec 2906 PCI SCSI card would work ?
> I think it is narrow (8 bit).
>
> http://www.pacificgeek.com/productimages/xl/WBIO065.jpg
> http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/support/scsi/2900/AVA-2906/
>
> One guy in this thread, got it to run under WinXP.
> http://groups.google.ca/group/comp.periphs.scsi/browse_thread/thread/e...c781aa2
>
> I use a 2906 with an old scanner (but it is on a Macintosh,
> with Macintosh scanner software).
>
> Paul

Yeah it IS an Adaptec 2906, it worked fine on the previous ASUS P5KSE board
under Win XP sp2, just not on the P5P800.

Looked for another SCSI pci card, everything is about $100. So I went and
got a new HP all-in-one with a USB connection. Sweet... scans to a PDF among
others, or will scan and convert text image to text file. It's the
Photosmart C6280 AND it works in Linux. At least that's what they say, will
find out tomorrow.

The Linux Win XP dual boot is up and running with 2 HD's and boot choice
from the Bios or F8, separate MBR on each HD. It's easier this way, I've
done it with the Linux boot manager before. Now using the Bios or F8, it's
already loaded, already know how to use it. If one drive breaks it won't
break the other MBR. Quicker to change boot priority also, in Bios can
choose either one to boot without prompt on startup, with F8 can overide
that choice manually.
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Chris Darwin wrote:
>> Chris Darwin wrote:
>>>> Asus P5P800
>>>> P4 3Ghz
>>>> 3 gb Corsair Ram
>>>> Nvidia Quadro FX 3000 8xAGP 256mg
>>>> Seagate 40gb IDE HD
>>>> Western Digital 80gb IDE HD
>>> Finally found the problem, it was a hardware issue.
>>>
>>> First tried a drive wipe with a program from the ultimate boot CD,
>>> re-installed fresh copy of XP, still hanging on startup. Got desparate
>>> and started pulling all the peripherals and then the memory sticks, last
>>> thing to pull was the SCSI pci card, pulled the card and the problem went
>>> away.
>>>
>>> I had pulled the SCSI pci card out of an older PC and put it in this
>>> P5P800 box, around the same time that the Linux install was done.
>>> Apparently the newer board didn't like it. The drivers are too old and
>>> only listed for Win 95 and Win 98. Even though it was running okay on the
>>> P5KSE with XP.
>>>
>>> I have this really old SCSI scanner so guess I'm going to have to
>>> upgrade.
>>>
>>> Think I'm going to keep the drives/OP systems as separate as possible, by
>>> disconnecting the XP drive while loading the Linux one. Then make the
>>> boot choice with the F8 key.
>>>
>>>
>> Maybe something like an Adaptec 2906 PCI SCSI card would work ?
>> I think it is narrow (8 bit).
>>
>> http://www.pacificgeek.com/productimages/xl/WBIO065.jpg
>> http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/support/scsi/2900/AVA-2906/
>>
>> One guy in this thread, got it to run under WinXP.
>> http://groups.google.ca/group/comp.periphs.scsi/browse_thread/thread/e...c781aa2
>>
>> I use a 2906 with an old scanner (but it is on a Macintosh,
>> with Macintosh scanner software).
>>
>> Paul
>
> Yeah it IS an Adaptec 2906, it worked fine on the previous ASUS P5KSE board
> under Win XP sp2, just not on the P5P800.
>
> Looked for another SCSI pci card, everything is about $100. So I went and
> got a new HP all-in-one with a USB connection. Sweet... scans to a PDF among
> others, or will scan and convert text image to text file. It's the
> Photosmart C6280 AND it works in Linux. At least that's what they say, will
> find out tomorrow.
>
> The Linux Win XP dual boot is up and running with 2 HD's and boot choice
> from the Bios or F8, separate MBR on each HD. It's easier this way, I've
> done it with the Linux boot manager before. Now using the Bios or F8, it's
> already loaded, already know how to use it. If one drive breaks it won't
> break the other MBR. Quicker to change boot priority also, in Bios can
> choose either one to boot without prompt on startup, with F8 can overide
> that choice manually.
>

One place you can look for inspiration, is the Asus Forum. Trouble is, its
been a bit broken lately, and about all you can do is look at the first page.
I cannot go to a later page, without getting a dialog saying they are too
busy. (Someone should tell them, you can buy commercial BBS software that
will fix all that.)

http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?board_id=1&model=P5P800&SLanguage=en-us

I used an external search engine, and got a lot of irrelevant results from
the forum. I did find this, which was a little interesting. It is not for
your board, but it does mention that they were able to bypass a problem
like this, by inserting a CD in the CD drive, and then when being prompted
to boot from the CD, not pressing a key. I doubt this is going to help
you, but it is still a curious workaround.

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?board_id=1&model=M2N32+WS+Professi...l&id=20

At least your new USB purchase, moves you past all this. I paid a lot
for my scanner, which is why it is still in the "payback period"
Some day, it'll be in the Smithsonian, in the "large plastic junk"
section.

Paul
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