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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:51 am
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How many years will it take Soyo to build a Socket 775 motherboard?
Innovation For Life they declare on the web site. Two years ago they
compensated me to moderate there support site, which I did till I gave
them the ultimatuim: Build a Socket 775 board or I would have to stop
selling there products and end my support. Then they told me the boards
were coming and I would be happy with the products. Then came the
rebate fiasco, I got tired of people requesting my assistence with
something that was totaly out of my control.

I'm still using the Soyo P4I 845 PE board that was the last one I
bought. With great results but I check the company web site from time
to time and even look in this group from time to time but still no
Socket 775 boards. What a joke Soyo has become.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:10 pm
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Custom Computers wrote:

> How many years will it take Soyo to build a Socket 775
> motherboard?

Heh. The Prescott socket-478 version of the P4I-845 was just released
a month or two ago (good luck getting CPU's for it). Talk about being
way behind the curve. No AGP socket (instead they have some Intel
graphics chip that is not even described properly - even in the doc's
for the board).

Yes, Soyo needs a socket 775 replacement for the P4I-845 (with ISA
slots). They need it before socket 775 CPU's become unavailable.

> What a joke Soyo has become.

They've diversified way beyond being a motherboard company.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:28 pm
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ISA slots, LOL its the 21st. Century now.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:06 pm
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Actually I do, thats where I got my start, with custom programmable
milling and boring machines. Which all of our machines we build now use
PCI components. But yes outdated machines still use ISA and
motherboards are running in short supply for them. Our new machines are
even using PCI Express for display screens. Some of which even are
equipped with wireless LAN so programmers can access individual machine
centers for programming changes during operation.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:21 pm
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Custom Computers wrote:

> ISA slots, LOL its the 21st. Century now.

Obviously you know very little about the industrial computer scene.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:39 pm
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Custom Computers wrote:

> But yes outdated machines still use ISA

It's not outdated machines, but very expensive ISA-based peripheral
hardware (in many industrial and telecom settings). When a 3-ISA-slot
motherboard from Soyo costs $200, but new PCI-based hardware costs
$10,000, it's a no-brainer that keeping the old ISA cards is the most
cost-effective solution.

> and motherboards are running in short supply for them.

Soyo and SuperMicro are the last (as far as I know) that make standard
ATX motherboards with P-4 support and ISA slots. I'm not sure about
SuperMicro, but Soyo *finally* supports Prescott (a year later than
they should have and basically too late if you ask me).

It's funny, but Intel / Micro$oft were adament that P-4 chipsets
couldn't support ISA slots.

In the true industrial channel, there are ISA backplane and
motherboard-on-a-card solutions that cost easily $1000 and will be
around for a while.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:01 pm
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Wow, I see there now down to just one motherboard in production. Last
one out the door please turn out the lights.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:55 am
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It's a shame. They made excellent motherboards. I still manage five or six
K7VTA Pros, still absolutely reliable except for the cheap little
Northbridge fans. I never had a Soyo motherboard fail.

I wish Soyo had hired John Howland. I still wonder what happened to him.

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> Wow, I see there now down to just one motherboard in production. Last
> one out the door please turn out the lights.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:52 am
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>>Soyo and SuperMicro are the last (as far as I know) that make standard ATX motherboards with P-4 support and ISA slots.
>>I'm not sure about SuperMicro, but Soyo *finally* supports Prescott (a year later than they should have and basically too late if you ask me).

SuperMicro P4SCA based on Canterwood ES supports Northwood, Prescott,
and Extreme Edition up to 3.4GHz, Dual Channel DDR, Gigabit LAN, SATA,
and has been shipping for nearly three years now. SuperMicro has a
much larger IPC customer base and better reputation. ITOX/DFI is
another big name in IPC market.

There are even LGA775 motherboards based on Intel 915G with PCI-E x16
and ISA (iBase Taiwan).
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:50 pm
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>>I don't think the P4SCA supports Prescott.<<

>From SuperMicro Support FAQs:

Q: Which current Intel P4 processors work with the P4SCA?

A: The 90nm (nanometer) processors are fine. Any Prescott processor
will work except the new LGA775 package processors.

>>The P4SCA has very pathetic ATI Rage XL (8 mb ram). I don't know what the Soyo has.<<

Rage XL 8MB (PCI) is more than adequate for its industrial, telecom,
and server target applications. In the event something more is
desired, a Radeon 9250 PCI 256MB or comparable PCI will perform
virtually equivalent to AGP 2x. The Soyo has Intel Extreme Graphics.

>>But yes, it will soon be the most likely alternative for industrial PC's with ISA and Socket-775.<<

There is also an Intel 865G based LGA-775 board with AGP 8x and ISA
slots (e.g. MB865), in addition to the Intel 865 and 875 based mPGA-478
boards with ISA slots (e.g. MB820). Besides being more costly, the
iBase Taiwan boards don't seem to have much in the way of reasonably
frequent BIOS updates available for download. Its possible they only
do email support WRT BIOS updates.
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