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Since: Mar 01, 2004 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:14 pm
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Just in case anyone can diagnose a P-2b flaw on the fly from a
description, I'm interested in knowing if this board is genuinely
post-mortem.
It's my original P2b which I bought new 4-5 years ago. Rev 1.02. I
made the mistake of lending this computer to an acquaintance to
practise his skills on about 2 years ago, (it ws by then my second
computer) and one fine day after i had it back, (with win98se OS) it
froze on boot-up at the desktop. Couldn't reboot it at all. Did a
reinstall over it which constantly (about 10 tries at this) would
hang frozen at 13 minutes left when it was examining the mobo
hardware itself, I forget the exact terminology of the space...
Put it on the shelf for a couple of years and then a few months ago,
for kicks more than anything, I took it down and tried to install
winxp with it , which surprisingly loaded. But all was not well as it
does not reboot;, it wouldn't reboot even during the install phases
when it is supposed to, it freezes at the screen that says windows is
closing, and I have to manually reboot It will not shut down properly
either. I have to press the shut off button on the tower because it
freezes at the shut off screen. Kind of like the p2b-F flaw, except
this is probably a congenital hardware flaw-condition due to the fact
that it won't reboot from inside windows either.
Funny that it could be a decent server board in the sense that it'll
probably run 24/7 just so's you didn't need to reboot it. A funny
defect. Not worth selling, i keep it around for cannibalization of
parts should the need occur.
So I was wondering if this was a symptom of something obvious to
someone with knowledge of these boards and if there might exist a
cheap solution, given that these board are fairly cheap to acquire
nowadays
the end and thanks for listening,
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Since: Jun 11, 2004 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:14 pm
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First did you reinstall windows 98 over a previous install or did you format
the drive and install windows. If you reinstall windows over a non working
version most of the time it will not work. You have to start with a clean
drive. As to the problem with xp not shutting off the computer that is an
easy fix. Go into the control panel, power options, select APM tab and tick
the box enable advance power management and the system will power off.
Good luck
Homer
<eric RemoveThis @egypt.net> wrote in message
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> Just in case anyone can diagnose a P-2b flaw on the fly from a
> description, I'm interested in knowing if this board is genuinely
> post-mortem.
>
> It's my original P2b which I bought new 4-5 years ago. Rev 1.02. I
> made the mistake of lending this computer to an acquaintance to
> practise his skills on about 2 years ago, (it ws by then my second
> computer) and one fine day after i had it back, (with win98se OS) it
> froze on boot-up at the desktop. Couldn't reboot it at all. Did a
> reinstall over it which constantly (about 10 tries at this) would
> hang frozen at 13 minutes left when it was examining the mobo
> hardware itself, I forget the exact terminology of the space...
>
> Put it on the shelf for a couple of years and then a few months ago,
> for kicks more than anything, I took it down and tried to install
> winxp with it , which surprisingly loaded. But all was not well as it
> does not reboot;, it wouldn't reboot even during the install phases
> when it is supposed to, it freezes at the screen that says windows is
> closing, and I have to manually reboot It will not shut down properly
> either. I have to press the shut off button on the tower because it
> freezes at the shut off screen. Kind of like the p2b-F flaw, except
> this is probably a congenital hardware flaw-condition due to the fact
> that it won't reboot from inside windows either.
>
> Funny that it could be a decent server board in the sense that it'll
> probably run 24/7 just so's you didn't need to reboot it. A funny
> defect. Not worth selling, i keep it around for cannibalization of
> parts should the need occur.
>
> So I was wondering if this was a symptom of something obvious to
> someone with knowledge of these boards and if there might exist a
> cheap solution, given that these board are fairly cheap to acquire
> nowadays
>
> the end and thanks for listening,
> eric
>
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Since: Jul 27, 2004 Posts: 2307
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:14 pm
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In article <dap5605i9ufnk2tup5mhouolrh5r1j8kgm.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, <eric.TakeThisOut@egypt.net> wrote:
> Just in case anyone can diagnose a P-2b flaw on the fly from a
> description, I'm interested in knowing if this board is genuinely
> post-mortem.
>
> It's my original P2b which I bought new 4-5 years ago. Rev 1.02. I
> made the mistake of lending this computer to an acquaintance to
> practise his skills on about 2 years ago, (it ws by then my second
> computer) and one fine day after i had it back, (with win98se OS) it
> froze on boot-up at the desktop. Couldn't reboot it at all. Did a
> reinstall over it which constantly (about 10 tries at this) would
> hang frozen at 13 minutes left when it was examining the mobo
> hardware itself, I forget the exact terminology of the space...
>
> Put it on the shelf for a couple of years and then a few months ago,
> for kicks more than anything, I took it down and tried to install
> winxp with it , which surprisingly loaded. But all was not well as it
> does not reboot;, it wouldn't reboot even during the install phases
> when it is supposed to, it freezes at the screen that says windows is
> closing, and I have to manually reboot It will not shut down properly
> either. I have to press the shut off button on the tower because it
> freezes at the shut off screen. Kind of like the p2b-F flaw, except
> this is probably a congenital hardware flaw-condition due to the fact
> that it won't reboot from inside windows either.
>
> Funny that it could be a decent server board in the sense that it'll
> probably run 24/7 just so's you didn't need to reboot it. A funny
> defect. Not worth selling, i keep it around for cannibalization of
> parts should the need occur.
>
> So I was wondering if this was a symptom of something obvious to
> someone with knowledge of these boards and if there might exist a
> cheap solution, given that these board are fairly cheap to acquire
> nowadays
>
> the end and thanks for listening,
> eric
No idea what the symptoms mean - just for kicks, reflash the BIOS
to the latest, using a DOS floppy and the flash utility for the board.
Archive the current BIOS onto the floppy, then flash with a newer
BIOS. If the flash fails, revert to the old image immediately.
As boards age, there is a small chance that the flash chip can
get "bit rot".
Next step would be memtest86 testing.
Has the disk been surface scanned recently ?
I'd treat the thing like it was a new board, and run through the
usual routine.
HTH,
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Since: Feb 27, 2004 Posts: 43
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:44 pm
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<eric DeleteThis @egypt.net> wrote in message
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> Just in case anyone can diagnose a P-2b flaw on the fly from a
> description, I'm interested in knowing if this board is genuinely
> post-mortem.
>
> It's my original P2b which I bought new 4-5 years ago. Rev 1.02. I
> made the mistake of lending this computer to an acquaintance to
> practise his skills on about 2 years ago, (it ws by then my second
> computer) and one fine day after i had it back, (with win98se OS) it
> froze on boot-up at the desktop. Couldn't reboot it at all. Did a
> reinstall over it which constantly (about 10 tries at this) would
> hang frozen at 13 minutes left when it was examining the mobo
> hardware itself, I forget the exact terminology of the space...
>
> Put it on the shelf for a couple of years and then a few months ago,
> for kicks more than anything, I took it down and tried to install
> winxp with it , which surprisingly loaded. But all was not well as it
> does not reboot;, it wouldn't reboot even during the install phases
> when it is supposed to, it freezes at the screen that says windows is
> closing, and I have to manually reboot It will not shut down properly
> either. I have to press the shut off button on the tower because it
> freezes at the shut off screen. Kind of like the p2b-F flaw, except
> this is probably a congenital hardware flaw-condition due to the fact
> that it won't reboot from inside windows either.
>
> Funny that it could be a decent server board in the sense that it'll
> probably run 24/7 just so's you didn't need to reboot it. A funny
> defect. Not worth selling, i keep it around for cannibalization of
> parts should the need occur.
>
> So I was wondering if this was a symptom of something obvious to
> someone with knowledge of these boards and if there might exist a
> cheap solution, given that these board are fairly cheap to acquire
> nowadays
>
> the end and thanks for listening,
> eric
>
Try clearing the CMOS memory with the jumper. I've fixed a few boards that
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Since: Sep 08, 2004 Posts: 34
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:16 pm
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nospam DeleteThis @needed.com (Paul) writes:
> No idea what the symptoms mean - just for kicks, reflash the BIOS
> to the latest, using a DOS floppy and the flash utility for the board.
> Archive the current BIOS onto the floppy, then flash with a newer
> BIOS. If the flash fails, revert to the old image immediately.
> As boards age, there is a small chance that the flash chip can
> get "bit rot".
Yes, what he says. I recently went through a P2B-DS not detecting the
on-board SCSI and, finally, a reflash of the BIOS cured all that ailed.
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Since: Sep 08, 2004 Posts: 34
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:22 pm
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<eric.RemoveThis@egypt.net> writes:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:44:03 -0600, "m.marien" <mm AT RiverCityCanada
> DOT com> wrote:
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>>Try clearing the CMOS memory with the jumper. I've fixed a few boards that
>>way.
>
>
> Done that. Still the same hang at 13 minutes setting up hardware and
> plug and play devices. Running with just a video card floppy and HD.
> The mobo is definitely screwed, but I knew that. Was hoping to hear
> some interesting suggestions of what the problem was.
Just for the heck of it, try reflashing the BIOS. I had what I swore
were hardware problems with detecting my onboard SCSI controller and
tore my hair out for weeks until I reflashed my BIOS as a last resort
and everything cleared right up! Perhaps the P2B series got a flaky
batch of EEPROMs.
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Since: Mar 01, 2004 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:37 pm
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:31:28 GMT, "Homer" <forgetspam.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
Hard drive reformatted over and over... to fat32
>First did you reinstall windows 98 over a previous install or did you format
>the drive and install windows. If you reinstall windows over a non working
>version most of the time it will not work. You have to start with a clean
>drive. As to the problem with xp not shutting off the computer that is an
>easy fix. Go into the control panel, power options, select APM tab and tick
>the box enable advance power management and the system will power off.
>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:41 pm
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:28:14 -0500, nospam.RemoveThis@needed.com (Paul) wrote:
Reflashed BIOS back to 1012 from 1014.003
surface scanned Hard drive. perfect.
swapped memory several times.
treated it like a new board from scratch. hangs at 13 minutes before
end in win98 instal when it is "setting up hardware and plug and play
devices".
mouse arrow can be moved, but the magnifying glass in the little
monitor has stopped making circular movements and the install more or
less stops there.
eric
>No idea what the symptoms mean - just for kicks, reflash the BIOS
>to the latest, using a DOS floppy and the flash utility for the board.
>Archive the current BIOS onto the floppy, then flash with a newer
>BIOS. If the flash fails, revert to the old image immediately.
>As boards age, there is a small chance that the flash chip can
>get "bit rot".
>
>Next step would be memtest86 testing.
>
>Has the disk been surface scanned recently ?
>
>I'd treat the thing like it was a new board, and run through the
>usual routine.
>
>HTH,
> Paul<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: my ancient p2b board -wondering why it's semi-dead |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:12 pm
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:44:03 -0600, "m.marien" <mm AT RiverCityCanada
DOT com> wrote:
>Try clearing the CMOS memory with the jumper. I've fixed a few boards that
>way.
Done that. Still the same hang at 13 minutes setting up hardware and
plug and play devices. Running with just a video card floppy and HD.
The mobo is definitely screwed, but I knew that. Was hoping to hear
some interesting suggestions of what the problem was.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:12 pm
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<eric DeleteThis @egypt.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:44:03 -0600, "m.marien" <mm AT RiverCityCanada
> DOT com> wrote:
>
> >Try clearing the CMOS memory with the jumper. I've fixed a few boards
that
> >way.
>
>
> Done that. Still the same hang at 13 minutes setting up hardware and
> plug and play devices. Running with just a video card floppy and HD.
> The mobo is definitely screwed, but I knew that. Was hoping to hear
> some interesting suggestions of what the problem was.
What have you got on the IDE connectors?.
There was a problem some time ago, with the P2B, and (I think), a particular
BIOS version, that it would hang during IDE detection in the OS, with some
combinations of devices on the IDE connectors.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:15 pm
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:16:51 +0100, "Roger Hamlett" <
hey roger,
This is something that happened a couple of years ago one bright
morning on boot-up when the desktop just froze. Mouse moved but had no
effct on anything. At the time I reformatted and re-installed to no
avail.
The mobo has been on the shelf since then. Every now and then I take
it down and try different configs to breath life into it. Or use the
bios chip to hot flash some other board.
But alas, I think it has a genuine hardware defect with no solution in
sight
eric
>What have you got on the IDE connectors?.
>There was a problem some time ago, with the P2B, and (I think), a particular
>BIOS version, that it would hang during IDE detection in the OS, with some
>combinations of devices on the IDE connectors.
>
>Best Wishes
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:15 pm
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<eric DeleteThis @egypt.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:16:51 +0100, "Roger Hamlett" <
>
> hey roger,
>
> This is something that happened a couple of years ago one bright
> morning on boot-up when the desktop just froze. Mouse moved but had no
> effct on anything. At the time I reformatted and re-installed to no
> avail.
>
> The mobo has been on the shelf since then. Every now and then I take
> it down and try different configs to breath life into it. Or use the
> bios chip to hot flash some other board.
>
> But alas, I think it has a genuine hardware defect with no solution in
> sight
>
> eric
The obvious solution, it just to use an IDE card, instead of the motherboard
port(s). It sounds as though you have a problem when the IDE controller
switches to using DMA, rather than PIO.
> >What have you got on the IDE connectors?.
> >There was a problem some time ago, with the P2B, and (I think), a
particular
> >BIOS version, that it would hang during IDE detection in the OS, with
some
> >combinations of devices on the IDE connectors.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:20 pm
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:16:51 +0100, "Roger Hamlett"
<rogerspamignored RemoveThis @ttelmah.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Another funny thing is that I was able to install win95 on the board.
Must be something to do with lack of hardware checking during the
install process. Left a lot of yellow question marks in device driver,
but this may have been due to lack of chipset recognition.
eric
>There was a problem some time ago, with the P2B, and (I think), a particular
>BIOS version, that it would hang during IDE detection in the OS, with some
>combinations of devices on the IDE connectors.
>
>Best Wishes
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:49 pm
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:30:56 +0100, "Roger Hamlett"
<rogerspamignored RemoveThis @ttelmah.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>The obvious solution, it just to use an IDE card, instead of the motherboard
>port(s). It sounds as though you have a problem when the IDE controller
>switches to using DMA, rather than PIO.
I'm on it right now...
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:02 pm
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:30:56 +0100, "Roger Hamlett"
<rogerspamignored DeleteThis @ttelmah.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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><eric DeleteThis @egypt.net> wrote in message
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>> eric
>The obvious solution, it just to use an IDE card, instead of the motherboard
>port(s). It sounds as though you have a problem when the IDE controller
>switches to using DMA, rather than PIO.
Used a sigg controller card for the hard drive. If I plugged in the
cd-rom as well to the controller card, then win98 bootdisk can't find
the hd. So I put the cd-rom on IDE1.
Anyway the long and the short of it is that the same thing happened on
the win98 install. A freeze at 14 minutes before time while setting up
hardware and plug and play devices.
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