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TJ Sackville-West

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 4:43 pm
Post subject: Can U burn bootable CD from complete 98 backup files?
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I can burn bootable CD's using Nero and the Win98 startup floppy.

Can you burn a bootable CD taking the contents of the Back Up files
Win98 allows you to store? So in the event serious data loss you can
boot up with that CD and restore the OS and files/settings/drivers
from the 700MB disk.

What are the absolute minimum necessary WINDOWS OS folders and files
you need to include on the Back Up CD and still keep under 700MB?

From the DOS promt A: how do you change drives (in DOS) to access
files on the CD?

Thanks

TJ

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:27 pm
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"TJ Sackville-West" <rayxt RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:5372a77d.0410051243.7e85b3e@posting.google.com...
 > I can burn bootable CD's using Nero and the Win98 startup floppy.

 > Can you burn a bootable CD taking the contents of the Back Up files
 > Win98 allows you to store? So in the event serious data loss you can
 > boot up with that CD and restore the OS and files/settings/drivers
 > from the 700MB disk.

What you are asking could be construde under some circumstances as
software piracy so I don't think you will get much help to do that.
To restore/install you need at least a legal copy of it and/or a backup
from the legal copy.

 > What are the absolute minimum necessary WINDOWS OS folders and files
 > you need to include on the Back Up CD and still keep under 700MB?

Why are you having trouble keeping it under 700M? All the files you
need on a generic OEM Windows 98 SE disk take up less than 100M
unless you are using some custom restore cd's from a hardware
manufacturer.

 > From the DOS promt A: how do you change drives (in DOS) to access
 > files on the CD?

assumed you booted to a floppy and it shows A:\ and the cdrom driver
was loaded correctly and there is only one partition on the C drive so
that the cdrom is the D drive, type in the following:

D: and hit return.

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Jeff Richards

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:21 am
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If you can create a bootable CD then you can boot to it to re-install
Windows, but it's no different than booting from floppy. You can not
re-install from a backup file. You must reinstall Windows then restore from
the backup. See:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];187325" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];187325</a>
Windows 98 Recover.txt File

You minimum backup set would be the root folder and \Windows, but there is
no way to predict for any particular system whether or not that would be
below 700Mb.

For DOS, to make a different drive the current drive just type the drive
letter and a colon, eg
D:
and press Enter.
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"TJ Sackville-West" <rayxt.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5372a77d.0410051243.7e85b3e@posting.google.com...
 >I can burn bootable CD's using Nero and the Win98 startup floppy.
 >
 > Can you burn a bootable CD taking the contents of the Back Up files
 > Win98 allows you to store? So in the event serious data loss you can
 > boot up with that CD and restore the OS and files/settings/drivers
 > from the 700MB disk.
 >
 > What are the absolute minimum necessary WINDOWS OS folders and files
 > you need to include on the Back Up CD and still keep under 700MB?
 >
 > From the DOS promt A: how do you change drives (in DOS) to access
 > files on the CD?
 >
 > Thanks
 >
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TJ Sackville-West

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:28 pm
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"***** charles" <shultzjrX.TakeThisOut@joimail.com> wrote in message news:<10m67vkq7n32621.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>...
 > "TJ Sackville-West" <rayxt.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
 > wrote in message news:5372a77d.0410051243.7e85b3e@posting.google.com...
  > > I can burn bootable CD's using Nero and the Win98 startup floppy.
 >
  > > Can you burn a bootable CD taking the contents of the Back Up files
  > > Win98 allows you to store? So in the event serious data loss you can
  > > boot up with that CD and restore the OS and files/settings/drivers
  > > from the 700MB disk.
 >
 > What you are asking could be construde under some circumstances as
 > software piracy so I don't think you will get much help to do that.
 > To restore/install you need at least a legal copy of it and/or a backup
 > from the legal copy.
 >
  > > What are the absolute minimum necessary WINDOWS OS folders and files
  > > you need to include on the Back Up CD and still keep under 700MB?
 >
 > Why are you having trouble keeping it under 700M? All the files you
 > need on a generic OEM Windows 98 SE disk take up less than 100M
 > unless you are using some custom restore cd's from a hardware
 > manufacturer.

I recall seeing a post sometime ago (but now can't remember where)
where you could burn a bootable CD which incorporated your OS plus all
your customized drivers and files to restore the system exactly before
the catastrophic crash. After that all you had to do is load in your
backed up data files etc and you're back in business.

But if you can't boot into the complete system backup files from a
bootable CD, but have to load 98 from your disk, THEN go to the
restore facility, that's the end of that. Thanks anyway.

TJ




 >
  > > From the DOS promt A: how do you change drives (in DOS) to access
  > > files on the CD?
 >
 > assumed you booted to a floppy and it shows A:\ and the cdrom driver
 > was loaded correctly and there is only one partition on the C drive so
 > that the cdrom is the D drive, type in the following:
 >
 > D: and hit return.
 >
 > later,
 > charles......<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Joseph Fenn

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:21 pm
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On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Harry wrote:

 > TJ Sackville-West wrote...
 >
  > >I recall seeing a post sometime ago (but now can't remember where)
  > >where you could burn a bootable CD which incorporated your OS plus all
  > >your customized drivers and files to restore the system exactly before
  > >the catastrophic crash. After that all you had to do is load in your
  > >backed up data files etc and you're back in business.
 >
 > What you are asking is a very common backup/restore scenario
 > common to Win98/WinME/W2K/XP/etc.
 >
 > First, you install your OS into a hard drive partition, usually
 > designated as the C: drive, which maybe say, 2 GB in size.
 >
 > Next, you install your non-OS stuff, e.g. your database, to other
 > partitions, say, drive D:, E:, F:, or whatever.
 >
 > There are many commercial backup restore programs, like Norton Ghost,
 > PowerQuest Drive Image, or (my favorite) Acronis True Image.
 >
 > [part 1]
 > You use one of these backup/restore program to backup your OS partition
 > (i.e. your C: drive), to CR-R, or CR-RW, or a spare partition.
 > The backup image can be splitted (by the backup program) onto more than
 > one CD-R/CD-RW/DVD+-R/DVD+-RW.
 >
 > [part 2]
 > The backup/restore program usually alloow you to create a boot image
 > (on floppy or on CD). In case of diaster, you use the boot image to
 > boot the computer up, then restore the C: partition with the backup image.
 >
 > There are some utilities, like Boot CD Wizward, which you can use to glue
 > [part 1] and [part 2] together in a single CD or DVD.
 >
 > Is that want you are looking for?
 >
Yes Ghost offers the "make cd bootable" i/e as a bootup mode.
I would think however you would need some kind of a dos driver
external to your setup just to assign a letter to the external
device (if your dealing with an external drive like my Superdisk
drive, as it has to be seen for what it is an external drive that
does'nt yet carry an assigned letter. I use dos drivers to
fire mine up then put the whole image right back on the HD.
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Harry9

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:48 am
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TJ Sackville-West wrote...

 >I recall seeing a post sometime ago (but now can't remember where)
 >where you could burn a bootable CD which incorporated your OS plus all
 >your customized drivers and files to restore the system exactly before
 >the catastrophic crash. After that all you had to do is load in your
 >backed up data files etc and you're back in business.

What you are asking is a very common backup/restore scenario
common to Win98/WinME/W2K/XP/etc.

First, you install your OS into a hard drive partition, usually
designated as the C: drive, which maybe say, 2 GB in size.

Next, you install your non-OS stuff, e.g. your database, to other
partitions, say, drive D:, E:, F:, or whatever.

There are many commercial backup restore programs, like Norton Ghost,
PowerQuest Drive Image, or (my favorite) Acronis True Image.

[part 1]
You use one of these backup/restore program to backup your OS partition
(i.e. your C: drive), to CR-R, or CR-RW, or a spare partition.
The backup image can be splitted (by the backup program) onto more than
one CD-R/CD-RW/DVD+-R/DVD+-RW.

[part 2]
The backup/restore program usually alloow you to create a boot image
(on floppy or on CD). In case of diaster, you use the boot image to
boot the computer up, then restore the C: partition with the backup image.

There are some utilities, like Boot CD Wizward, which you can use to glue
[part 1] and [part 2] together in a single CD or DVD.

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Fatfreek

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:58 pm
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If I discovered correctly not too long ago -- the ghost image files will
truly restore OS and all only IF (that's a big if) you haven't made a
drastic change in your hardware (motherboard, cpu, hard drive, etc.) from
backup to restore. Otherwise all major apps including OS's need complete
reinstallation. I understand there's a workaround for all this but not
worth it for the occasional tinkerer.

Len Miller

"Harry" <harryooopotter.RemoveThis@hotmail.co_> wrote in message
news:Rdn9d.43119$N%.1489@edtnps84...
 > TJ Sackville-West wrote...
 >
  > >I recall seeing a post sometime ago (but now can't remember where)
  > >where you could burn a bootable CD which incorporated your OS plus all
  > >your customized drivers and files to restore the system exactly before
  > >the catastrophic crash. After that all you had to do is load in your
  > >backed up data files etc and you're back in business.
 >
 > What you are asking is a very common backup/restore scenario
 > common to Win98/WinME/W2K/XP/etc.
 >
 > First, you install your OS into a hard drive partition, usually
 > designated as the C: drive, which maybe say, 2 GB in size.
 >
 > Next, you install your non-OS stuff, e.g. your database, to other
 > partitions, say, drive D:, E:, F:, or whatever.
 >
 > There are many commercial backup restore programs, like Norton Ghost,
 > PowerQuest Drive Image, or (my favorite) Acronis True Image.
 >
 > [part 1]
 > You use one of these backup/restore program to backup your OS partition
 > (i.e. your C: drive), to CR-R, or CR-RW, or a spare partition.
 > The backup image can be splitted (by the backup program) onto more than
 > one CD-R/CD-RW/DVD+-R/DVD+-RW.
 >
 > [part 2]
 > The backup/restore program usually alloow you to create a boot image
 > (on floppy or on CD). In case of diaster, you use the boot image to
 > boot the computer up, then restore the C: partition with the backup image.
 >
 > There are some utilities, like Boot CD Wizward, which you can use to glue
 > [part 1] and [part 2] together in a single CD or DVD.
 >
 > Is that want you are looking for?
 >
 >
 >
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:12 am
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:58:05 -0500, "Fatfreek"
<mil3le3rlr.DeleteThis@ark3ans3as.net> wrote:

 >If I discovered correctly not too long ago -- the ghost image files will
 >truly restore OS and all only IF (that's a big if) you haven't made a
 >drastic change in your hardware (motherboard, cpu, hard drive, etc.) from
 >backup to restore. Otherwise all major apps including OS's need complete
 >reinstallation. I understand there's a workaround for all this but not
 >worth it for the occasional tinkerer.
 >
 >Len Miller

Hi Len,

It's not such a "big if..."

New or different harddrives are not a problem at all. I change and
upgrade all the time without requiring a fresh install. (Just be sure
to use the same partition scheme for system and application files so
they can find themselves after reinstallation. Most people keep them
all on the C: drive, anyway, so not a problem).

With the possible exception of the motherboard (especially an
"All-in-one" type)... If you've changed any other hardware, you just
need the new drivers handy when you reboot from the backup. Windows
will generally detect the different hardware and ask for the
new/update drivers if necessary.

If there are any problems, boot into safe mode and remove the driver
for the old hardware then have the driver(s) for the new hardware
ready on reboot. Most applications don't care about what actual
hardware. They talk to the OS, not the bare metal, like older DOS
files used to do. (Possible exception may be some *extreme* games
which need to be configured for the exact video card and its driver).

I've got several bootable CD's with GHOST and PowerQuest DriveImage
backups I use and despite all sorts of changes, all it ever took was
the drivers for the new hardware and couple reboot cycles. Different
hardware included audio, video, network, tv-tuner/mpeg, USB, and even
motherboards.

Of course, if you've changed half a dozen PCI and I/O devices since
the last backup, be prepared to lot of rebooting and driver loading.
<g>

To avoid that, problem, when buying a new motherboard, I make a
"generic" backup CD with only the essential hardware and all the
software I use on a daily basis. Saves mucho time over fresh install,
as all I have to add is whatever new stuff I added since I orginally
built the box.

So far, nearly a dozen machines, with many changes and upgrades over 4
years and I still havent needed a to do a fresh install from scratch.
Smile

Jack

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 >"Harry" <harryooopotter.DeleteThis@hotmail.co_> wrote in message
 >news:Rdn9d.43119$N%.1489@edtnps84...
  >> TJ Sackville-West wrote...
  >>
   >> >I recall seeing a post sometime ago (but now can't remember where)
   >> >where you could burn a bootable CD which incorporated your OS plus all
   >> >your customized drivers and files to restore the system exactly before
   >> >the catastrophic crash. After that all you had to do is load in your
   >> >backed up data files etc and you're back in business.
  >>
  >> What you are asking is a very common backup/restore scenario
  >> common to Win98/WinME/W2K/XP/etc.
  >>
  >> First, you install your OS into a hard drive partition, usually
  >> designated as the C: drive, which maybe say, 2 GB in size.
  >>
  >> Next, you install your non-OS stuff, e.g. your database, to other
  >> partitions, say, drive D:, E:, F:, or whatever.
  >>
  >> There are many commercial backup restore programs, like Norton Ghost,
  >> PowerQuest Drive Image, or (my favorite) Acronis True Image.
  >>
  >> [part 1]
  >> You use one of these backup/restore program to backup your OS partition
  >> (i.e. your C: drive), to CR-R, or CR-RW, or a spare partition.
  >> The backup image can be splitted (by the backup program) onto more than
  >> one CD-R/CD-RW/DVD+-R/DVD+-RW.
  >>
  >> [part 2]
  >> The backup/restore program usually alloow you to create a boot image
  >> (on floppy or on CD). In case of diaster, you use the boot image to
  >> boot the computer up, then restore the C: partition with the backup image.
  >>
  >> There are some utilities, like Boot CD Wizward, which you can use to glue
  >> [part 1] and [part 2] together in a single CD or DVD.
  >>
  >> Is that want you are looking for?
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
 >

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:43 am
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My Ghost2002 does offer a bootable cd backup. As you say it will
however prompt (query) that your restoring the image to a hd that
as different partitioning in place than the original image shows,
and queries if this is acceptable to you. I say what the hell
ga and it does it. I/E I have 3 NEC laptops, old 486's and though
one has a 300mb HD another 500mb, and 3rd one has 2.1gig hd,
I can restore the same image to any of the three as long as there
is no undercapacity of the HD size.
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Cory Seedan wrote:

 > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:58:05 -0500, "Fatfreek"
 > <mil3le3rlr.TakeThisOut@ark3ans3as.net> wrote:
 >
  > >If I discovered correctly not too long ago -- the ghost image files will
  > >truly restore OS and all only IF (that's a big if) you haven't made a
  > >drastic change in your hardware (motherboard, cpu, hard drive, etc.) from
  > >backup to restore. Otherwise all major apps including OS's need complete
  > >reinstallation. I understand there's a workaround for all this but not
  > >worth it for the occasional tinkerer.
  > >
  > >Len Miller
 >
 > Hi Len,
 >
 > It's not such a "big if..."
 >
 > New or different harddrives are not a problem at all. I change and
 > upgrade all the time without requiring a fresh install. (Just be sure
 > to use the same partition scheme for system and application files so
 > they can find themselves after reinstallation. Most people keep them
 > all on the C: drive, anyway, so not a problem).
 >
 > With the possible exception of the motherboard (especially an
 > "All-in-one" type)... If you've changed any other hardware, you just
 > need the new drivers handy when you reboot from the backup. Windows
 > will generally detect the different hardware and ask for the
 > new/update drivers if necessary.
 >
 > If there are any problems, boot into safe mode and remove the driver
 > for the old hardware then have the driver(s) for the new hardware
 > ready on reboot. Most applications don't care about what actual
 > hardware. They talk to the OS, not the bare metal, like older DOS
 > files used to do. (Possible exception may be some *extreme* games
 > which need to be configured for the exact video card and its driver).
 >
 > I've got several bootable CD's with GHOST and PowerQuest DriveImage
 > backups I use and despite all sorts of changes, all it ever took was
 > the drivers for the new hardware and couple reboot cycles. Different
 > hardware included audio, video, network, tv-tuner/mpeg, USB, and even
 > motherboards.
 >
 > Of course, if you've changed half a dozen PCI and I/O devices since
 > the last backup, be prepared to lot of rebooting and driver loading.
 > <g>
 >
 > To avoid that, problem, when buying a new motherboard, I make a
 > "generic" backup CD with only the essential hardware and all the
 > software I use on a daily basis. Saves mucho time over fresh install,
 > as all I have to add is whatever new stuff I added since I orginally
 > built the box.
 >
 > So far, nearly a dozen machines, with many changes and upgrades over 4
 > years and I still havent needed a to do a fresh install from scratch.
 > Smile
 >
 > Jack
 >
 > ---
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 >
 > CompTIA: A+ Technician, Network+, iNet+
 > 3-year Cancer Survivor, and still cancer-free.
 > PGP-Key-ID: 0x08D960D3
 >
 >
  > >"Harry" <harryooopotter.TakeThisOut@hotmail.co_> wrote in message
  > >news:Rdn9d.43119$N%.1489@edtnps84...
   > >> TJ Sackville-West wrote...
   > >>
   > >> >I recall seeing a post sometime ago (but now can't remember where)
   > >> >where you could burn a bootable CD which incorporated your OS plus all
   > >> >your customized drivers and files to restore the system exactly before
   > >> >the catastrophic crash. After that all you had to do is load in your
   > >> >backed up data files etc and you're back in business.
   > >>
   > >> What you are asking is a very common backup/restore scenario
   > >> common to Win98/WinME/W2K/XP/etc.
   > >>
   > >> First, you install your OS into a hard drive partition, usually
   > >> designated as the C: drive, which maybe say, 2 GB in size.
   > >>
   > >> Next, you install your non-OS stuff, e.g. your database, to other
   > >> partitions, say, drive D:, E:, F:, or whatever.
   > >>
   > >> There are many commercial backup restore programs, like Norton Ghost,
   > >> PowerQuest Drive Image, or (my favorite) Acronis True Image.
   > >>
   > >> [part 1]
   > >> You use one of these backup/restore program to backup your OS partition
   > >> (i.e. your C: drive), to CR-R, or CR-RW, or a spare partition.
   > >> The backup image can be splitted (by the backup program) onto more than
   > >> one CD-R/CD-RW/DVD+-R/DVD+-RW.
   > >>
   > >> [part 2]
   > >> The backup/restore program usually alloow you to create a boot image
   > >> (on floppy or on CD). In case of diaster, you use the boot image to
   > >> boot the computer up, then restore the C: partition with the backup image.
   > >>
   > >> There are some utilities, like Boot CD Wizward, which you can use to glue
   > >> [part 1] and [part 2] together in a single CD or DVD.
   > >>
   > >> Is that want you are looking for?
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
  > >
 >
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:04 pm
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Joseph Fenn wrote:

 > My Ghost2002 does offer a bootable cd backup. As you say it will
 > however prompt (query) that your restoring the image to a hd that
 > as different partitioning in place than the original image shows,
 > and queries if this is acceptable to you. I say what the hell
 > ga and it does it. I/E I have 3 NEC laptops, old 486's and though
 > one has a 300mb HD another 500mb, and 3rd one has 2.1gig hd,
 > I can restore the same image to any of the three as long as there
 > is no undercapacity of the HD size.
 > Kokomo Joe
 >
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 > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Cory Seedan wrote:
 >
  > > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:58:05 -0500, "Fatfreek"
  > > <mil3le3rlr DeleteThis @ark3ans3as.net> wrote:
  > >
   > > >If I discovered correctly not too long ago -- the ghost image files will
   > > >truly restore OS and all only IF (that's a big if) you haven't made a
   > > >drastic change in your hardware (motherboard, cpu, hard drive, etc.) from
   > > >backup to restore. Otherwise all major apps including OS's need complete
   > > >reinstallation. I understand there's a workaround for all this but not
   > > >worth it for the occasional tinkerer.
   > > >
   > > >Len Miller
  > >
  > > Hi Len,
  > >
  > > It's not such a "big if..."
  > >
  > > New or different harddrives are not a problem at all. I change and
  > > upgrade all the time without requiring a fresh install. (Just be sure
  > > to use the same partition scheme for system and application files so
  > > they can find themselves after reinstallation. Most people keep them
  > > all on the C: drive, anyway, so not a problem).
  > >
  > > With the possible exception of the motherboard (especially an
  > > "All-in-one" type)... If you've changed any other hardware, you just
  > > need the new drivers handy when you reboot from the backup. Windows
  > > will generally detect the different hardware and ask for the
  > > new/update drivers if necessary.
  > >
  > > If there are any problems, boot into safe mode and remove the driver
  > > for the old hardware then have the driver(s) for the new hardware
  > > ready on reboot. Most applications don't care about what actual
  > > hardware. They talk to the OS, not the bare metal, like older DOS
  > > files used to do. (Possible exception may be some *extreme* games
  > > which need to be configured for the exact video card and its driver).
  > >
  > > I've got several bootable CD's with GHOST and PowerQuest DriveImage
  > > backups I use and despite all sorts of changes, all it ever took was
  > > the drivers for the new hardware and couple reboot cycles. Different
  > > hardware included audio, video, network, tv-tuner/mpeg, USB, and even
  > > motherboards.
  > >
  > > Of course, if you've changed half a dozen PCI and I/O devices since
  > > the last backup, be prepared to lot of rebooting and driver loading.
  > > <g>
  > >
  > > To avoid that, problem, when buying a new motherboard, I make a
  > > "generic" backup CD with only the essential hardware and all the
  > > software I use on a daily basis. Saves mucho time over fresh install,
  > > as all I have to add is whatever new stuff I added since I orginally
  > > built the box.
  > >
  > > So far, nearly a dozen machines, with many changes and upgrades over 4
  > > years and I still havent needed a to do a fresh install from scratch.
  > > Smile
  > >
  > > Jack
  > >
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   > > >"Harry" <harryooopotter DeleteThis @hotmail.co_> wrote in message
   > > >news:Rdn9d.43119$N%.1489@edtnps84...
   > > >> TJ Sackville-West wrote...
   > > >>
   > > >> >I recall seeing a post sometime ago (but now can't remember where)
   > > >> >where you could burn a bootable CD which incorporated your OS plus all
   > > >> >your customized drivers and files to restore the system exactly before
   > > >> >the catastrophic crash. After that all you had to do is load in your
   > > >> >backed up data files etc and you're back in business.
   > > >>
   > > >> What you are asking is a very common backup/restore scenario
   > > >> common to Win98/WinME/W2K/XP/etc.
   > > >>
   > > >> First, you install your OS into a hard drive partition, usually
   > > >> designated as the C: drive, which maybe say, 2 GB in size.
   > > >>
   > > >> Next, you install your non-OS stuff, e.g. your database, to other
   > > >> partitions, say, drive D:, E:, F:, or whatever.
   > > >>
   > > >> There are many commercial backup restore programs, like Norton Ghost,
   > > >> PowerQuest Drive Image, or (my favorite) Acronis True Image.
   > > >>
   > > >> [part 1]
   > > >> You use one of these backup/restore program to backup your OS partition
   > > >> (i.e. your C: drive), to CR-R, or CR-RW, or a spare partition.
   > > >> The backup image can be splitted (by the backup program) onto more than
   > > >> one CD-R/CD-RW/DVD+-R/DVD+-RW.
   > > >>
   > > >> [part 2]
   > > >> The backup/restore program usually alloow you to create a boot image
   > > >> (on floppy or on CD). In case of diaster, you use the boot image to
   > > >> boot the computer up, then restore the C: partition with the backup image.
   > > >>
   > > >> There are some utilities, like Boot CD Wizward, which you can use to glue
   > > >> [part 1] and [part 2] together in a single CD or DVD.
   > > >>
   > > >> Is that want you are looking for?
   > > >>
   > > >>
   > > >>
   > > >>
   > > >
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One final comment on all this. I find that backing up the entire os
to cd-r or cd-r/w is a pain in the butt when it comes to amount of
time it takes to do it with ghost and a backup device. If I use
an external ZIP or Superdisk (the zip 1gig would be ideal) in lieu
of cd's it really rips along on a 486 os. I assume the difference
in backup speeds might be the same even if your on a Pentium 1 2 or 3.
I/E the external drive bu is faster by far then burning to cd's
with Ghost 2002.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Can U burn bootable CD from complete 98 backup files? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Jack,
I agree with you mostly. Just wanted it known that with all the
new USB 1 and 2 features, speed i/o for images is not much of a
consideration anymore, but were I to buy a new system then I would
definitely get one of those 250gig (usb fed) type external HD's
and blaze away. Your right about CD/R/W's !!! very finicky
and iffy what takes place with those things! And yep cd-r's
at their present minimal cost beats even buying floppies in the older
days.
Kokomo Joe


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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Jack wrote:

 > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:04:07 -1000, Joseph Fenn <jfenn RemoveThis @lava.net>
 > wrote:
 >
   > >> >
   > >>
  > >One final comment on all this. I find that backing up the entire os
  > >to cd-r or cd-r/w is a pain in the butt when it comes to amount of
  > >time it takes to do it with ghost and a backup device. If I use
  > >an external ZIP or Superdisk (the zip 1gig would be ideal) in lieu
  > >of cd's it really rips along on a 486 os. I assume the difference
  > >in backup speeds might be the same even if your on a Pentium 1 2 or 3.
  > >I/E the external drive bu is faster by far then burning to cd's
  > >with Ghost 2002.
  > > Kokomo Joe
 >
 >
 >
 > I don't mind. I'm constantly burning CD's and DVD's anyway, so 3 or 4
 > more every once in a while is no trouble. I only make a full set when
 > I build a new machine or make a major change in hardware or software -
 > perhaps 3-6 months (or longer). BTW, I will NOT use CDRW. The media
 > is just too damn finicky. Reliable CDR media can be had for a dime a
 > disc, so I can afford to back up to non-reusable media.
 >
 > My machines are all Athlon and Duron CPU's running at 1 or 1.8GHZ.
 > (Windows 98SE and ME). The C: partitions I back up are 5GB, 7.5GB, or
 > 10GB, but are only 25-35% full, so I'm only backing about 3GB of data
 > at most. I use PowerQuest DriveImage 5.0 and initially save to hard
 > drive in 650MB files. With the OS and my primary applications and
 > using compression, it generally runs 2-4 CD size files. I can burn
 > the CD's in 5 min each. Actually, I make 2 sets of CD's - I like to
 > keep a separate set, in case of accident. A set of CD's is more
 > compact and much less expensive than external drives. And accidently
 > dropping a CD is a lot less lethal to the data than dropping a hard
 > drive. <g>
 >
 > Restore isn't any problem, either. I can generally do a full restore
 > from a CD set in under 20 minutes usually less.
 >
 > 73
 >
 > Jack
 >
 > P.S. Think if we had to do it onto 1541's! <g>
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