So few capacitors on motherboard?

"larrymoencurly" <larrymoencurly.RemoveThis@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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 > jeff findley <jeff.findley.RemoveThis@no.sdrc.spam.com> wrote in message
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  > > "jeffc" <nobody.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> writes:
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   > >>> The K7VTA3 also has about six places where capacitors were
   > >>> left out, including one for the CPU core voltage regulator,
 >
   > >> Yikes, you are scaring me. Look under the hood of your car.
   > >> If you notice a "missing" carburetor, you should add one!
  > >
  > > Careful inspections of cars reveals electrical connectors that
  > > "don't go anywhere". This does not necessarily mean that you car
  > > is bad.
 >
 > What about the Dodge Neon, built with something like 900 fasteners in
 > the chassis, or less than half the usual number?

That's not the point. That's a design problem. But just because there are
empty holes on a circuit board doesn't mean you should start filling them in
with stuff. Look at virtually any halfway complicated circuit board and
there will be empty holes.

 > I'm wondering if the ECS K7VTA3 ver. 5 is the
 > Dodge Neon of mobos.

That's a more meaningful question. The only answer I know of is to search
the web for reviews of that motherboard to see if anyone thinks it was
designed well. That or get an advanced degree in computer and electrical
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"kony" <spam.DeleteThis@spam.com> wrote in message
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 > On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:02:01 -0500, "jeffc" <nobody.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
 >
  > >
  > >"larrymoencurly" <larrymoencurly.DeleteThis@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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   > >>
   > >> The K7VTA3 also has about six places where capacitors were left out,
   > >> including one for the CPU core voltage regulator, while on my K7S5A
   > >> only about two were left out. Has anyone ever noticed an improvement
   > >> in stability by adding missing capacitors?
  > >
  > >Yikes, you are scaring me. Look under the hood of your car. If you
notice
  > >a "missing" carburetor, you should add one!
  > >
 >
 > If they decided it'd be cheaper to leave out a spark plug, would you
 > add it?

This is getting silly. If a 6 cylinder car only had 5 spark plugs, then
obviously you wouldn't buy that car. 6th grade analogies aside, this is a
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Conor <conor_turton RemoveThis @hotmail.com> writes:
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 > In article <6ffovv0nm6750k524db42bfboar1iuc6p6 RemoveThis @4ax.com>, spam RemoveThis @spam.com
 > says...
  > > A shill for ECS?
  > >
  > > Obviously I wouldn't buy the motherboard either.
  > >
 > Nope, just someone with more intelligence than you.

My boss, myself, and a co-worker all built systems using this
motherboard and an AMD Athlon XP1600+ processor. All three systems
seem to run just fine. Problems with our computers are far more often
software related, not hardware related.

Ours all came with the integrated sound and integrated ethernet.

The only problem I had that could have been hardware (could have been
a driver issue as well) was with the ethernet port. It didn't want to
auto detect the speed of my 10Mbps network, so I had to go into the
driver (Win98 driver supplied by ECS) and tell it to use 10Mbps, not
to auto-detect.

One should also note that our systems are "old", since this board has
been around for quite some time. That's another reason it's not as
expensive. Surely all the up-front costs were paid for long ago, so
ECS can keep lowering the price.

Jeff
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:07:10 -0500, "jeffc" <nobody RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:


 >That's not the point. That's a design problem. But just because there are
 >empty holes on a circuit board doesn't mean you should start filling them in
 >with stuff. Look at virtually any halfway complicated circuit board and
 >there will be empty holes.
 >
  >> I'm wondering if the ECS K7VTA3 ver. 5 is the
  >> Dodge Neon of mobos.
 >
 >That's a more meaningful question. The only answer I know of is to search
 >the web for reviews of that motherboard to see if anyone thinks it was
 >designed well. That or get an advanced degree in computer and electrical
 >engineering.
 >

.... or compare it to other motherboards that aren't build to this
extremely low price-point. Where's your common sense? If this was a
good design would't it be present on something other than the cheapest
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:08:11 -0500, "jeffc" <nobody.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:


  >> If they decided it'd be cheaper to leave out a spark plug, would you
  >> add it?
 >
 >This is getting silly. If a 6 cylinder car only had 5 spark plugs, then
 >obviously you wouldn't buy that car. 6th grade analogies aside, this is a
 >moot point.
 >

A shill for ECS?

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"kony" <spam.DeleteThis@spam.com> wrote in message
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 > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:08:11 -0500, "jeffc" <nobody.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
 >
 >
   > >> If they decided it'd be cheaper to leave out a spark plug, would you
   > >> add it?
  > >
  > >This is getting silly. If a 6 cylinder car only had 5 spark plugs, then
  > >obviously you wouldn't buy that car. 6th grade analogies aside, this is
a
  > >moot point.
  > >
 >
 > A shill for ECS?
 >
 > Obviously I wouldn't buy the motherboard either.

Huh? My point had absolutely nothing to do with ECS. Do you turn off logic
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In article <6ffovv0nm6750k524db42bfboar1iuc6p6 RemoveThis @4ax.com>, spam RemoveThis @spam.com
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 > A shill for ECS?
 >
 > Obviously I wouldn't buy the motherboard either.
 >
Nope, just someone with more intelligence than you.


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In article <4cfovv04bihmtelmahfkhn9lbrcmjri654 DeleteThis @4ax.com>, spam DeleteThis @spam.com
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 > ... or compare it to other motherboards that aren't build to this
 > extremely low price-point. Where's your common sense? If this was a
 > good design would't it be present on something other than the cheapest
 > motherboard?

You sir are an idiot of epic proportions with absilutely no
understanding of economics and mass marketing.

Give you a clue..

To save money you design a PCB that is used throughout a wide range of
models. You install/leave out components depending on the feature set.

Seeing as you're intellectually deficient, I'll give you an analogy
involving cars.

Fors use the same chassis for many models as do VW. Some companies
share chassis. For example one of the Jaguar models shares the same
underpinnings as a Ford Mondeo.


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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:28:21 -0000, Conor <conor_turton RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

 >In article <6ffovv0nm6750k524db42bfboar1iuc6p6 RemoveThis @4ax.com>, spam RemoveThis @spam.com
 >says...
 >
  >> A shill for ECS?
  >>
  >> Obviously I wouldn't buy the motherboard either.
  >>
 >Nope, just someone with more intelligence than you.

You're entitled to your opinon, though the most experienced users do
not buy these boards.... they're used almost exclusively
when the budget is the constraint.

It's sad that you have no valid argument and are stooping to insults
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:31:33 -0500, "jeffc" <nobody.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote:


   >> >This is getting silly. If a 6 cylinder car only had 5 spark plugs, then
   >> >obviously you wouldn't buy that car. 6th grade analogies aside, this is
 >a
   >> >moot point.
   >> >
  >>
  >> A shill for ECS?
  >>
  >> Obviously I wouldn't buy the motherboard either.
 >
 >Huh? My point had absolutely nothing to do with ECS. Do you turn off logic
 >circuits when you go into argue mode?
 >

Then why did you post it in this thread?
Of course it did, you were trying to imply something about the missing
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larrymoencurly DeleteThis @my-deja.com (larrymoencurly) wrote in message news:<755e968a.0401070032.3f4620e8 DeleteThis @posting.google.com>...

 > I'm wondering if the ECS K7VTA3 ver. 5 is the
 > Dodge Neon of mobos. Its CPU core voltage regulator
 > is 2-phase with seven 3300uF filter capacitors (8th
 > one left out), compared to 3-phase with eleven 3300uF
 > capacitors for the K7VTA3 ver. 3. I thought that
 > more phases at a given base frequency meant less
 > capacitance was needed

Try measuring the ripple around the board with a scope,
and compare it to the ripple of a known high-quality
board.

If no scope, then load the system with the fastest
available processor and AGP card, and speed up the
BIOS timings and overclock until the board just
starts to become stable. Then add all the missing
capacitors, and if stability improves you've proved
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:28:21 -0000, Conor <conor_turton DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

 >Nope, just someone with more intelligence than you.
 >
 >
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In addition, he seems to be hung up on criticizing other people's
intelligence, no doubt from insecurities regarding his own. Pathetic.

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