cooling Seagate eSATA external HDs

Rod Speed wrote in news:633b8iF25ri9mU1@mid.individual.net
> Stretch <rubber.DeleteThis@ducks.au> wrote
> > William R. Walsh wrote
>
> > > > > The drive fits snugly against the sides of the case,
>
> > > > Actually, that's not necessarily a good thing.
>
> > > If something is being used as a heatsink,
>
> > > it should be making good contact
>
> > Which it won't with only 4 screws (4 small points of contact).

> It aint just the screws that make contact, the screws pull the rails
> against the sides of the drives.

Which they won't, to the degree that is necessary to make good contact
over a larger area. Only the metal between the screwhead and the (ho-
pefully) machined flat mounting hole will be making contact and only if
the screw is thightened to the extend that the (hopefully softmetal)
rail deforms to the shape of the drive's side around the mounting hole.
For that you must probably use more force than the drive's mounting
instructions allow.
(And pity the drives that are mounted through the bottom holes). With
the afore mentioned Coolmax CD-311 the drive is mounted (through the
sides) in the extruded bottom halve of the enclosure which (presumably)
is of hardened aluminum. The top halve is then slided onto the bottom hal-
ve which again doesn't make for very good contact with the bottom halve.

>
> > > with whatever it is trying to cool.

> > > That said, the enclosure is not snug against top
> > > and bottom of the drive--just the two long sides.
>
> > > Air can flow around the drive quite easily.
>
> > Sure, IF air was moved mechanically. However, without a fan the
> > air has to move itself within the case. For that it needs enough
> > space so that air can rise near the drive and descent near the
> > case walls, thus transferring the heat energy to the case.

> Nope, not if air can circulate thru the housing and out the top etc.

Too bad that a Coolmax CD-311 -which the previous comments were
based on- doesn't have that.

>
> > Without the necessary space the air will stay stagnant
> > and act like an insulator, just like it does in double glazing.

> Nothing like double glazing if the are can move from within the case to
> outside it, even without a fan.

Too bad that in a Coolmax CD-311 -which the previous comments were
based on- that won't happen. It's as good as air thight unless you take
off the plastic clamps that double as feet.
And even then the drive itself will block the airflow.
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"Stretch" sucked his brown nugets:
> Yeah, the product description and photos of the enclosure's backside
> are in all likelyhood incorrect. Which means that the clearly visible
> sata connector on the back left to the USB is probably not wired.
> Weird huh.


Stretch, you're as strange as your fake mis-spellings . Here is the
copy from the listing's overview:

"A USB 2.0 interface connects the enclosure to your Mac or PC
while the internal SATA I/II interface eliminates bottlenecks."

The Product Tour lists only a USB 2.0 interface:

USB 2.0 Interface
The Rosewill RX82-U features a USB 2.0 interface for fast data
transfer speeds of up to 480Mbps and plug-and-play connectivity.

The Quick Specs list only a USB external interface:
Quick Specs
Brand Rosewill
Material Aluminum
Size 3.5"
Internal Interface SATA
Fan Yes
External Interface USB 2.0


The Specifications page lists:

Internal Interface SATA I/II
External Interface USB 2.0(Transfer Rates Up To 480 Mbps)


And here is the photo of the back of the box:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=17-182-116-12.jp...mage=17(JBOD)+Black+External+Enclosure

So where is the "SATA connector on the back left to the USB"?

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Stretch <rubber.TakeThisOut@ducks.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Stretch <rubber.TakeThisOut@ducks.au> wrote
>>> William R. Walsh wrote

>>>>>> The drive fits snugly against the sides of the case,

>>>>> Actually, that's not necessarily a good thing.

>>>> If something is being used as a heatsink,

>>>> it should be making good contact

>>> Which it won't with only 4 screws (4 small points of contact).

>> It aint just the screws that make contact, the
>> screws pull the rails against the sides of the drives.

> Which they won't, to the degree that is necessary
> to make good contact over a larger area.

Wrong, as always. They do that just as well as they do with internal drive stacks.

> Only the metal between the screwhead and the (hopefully)
> machined flat mounting hole will be making contact

Wrong, as always.

> and only if the screw is thightened to the extend that the (hopefully softmetal)
> rail deforms to the shape of the drive's side around the mounting hole.

Doesnt need to deform to make a lot more contact than your
stupid pig ignorant claim about it just being the screws in contact.

> For that you must probably use more force
> than the drive's mounting instructions allow.

Wrong, as always.

> (And pity the drives that are mounted through the bottom holes).

Still get the same effect with those.

> With the afore mentioned Coolmax CD-311 the drive is mounted
> (through the sides) in the extruded bottom halve of the enclosure
> which (presumably) is of hardened aluminum.

Stupid presumption.

> The top halve is then slided onto the bottom hal- ve which
> again doesn't make for very good contact with the bottom halve.

Doesnt need to, the bottom half is plenty.

>>>> with whatever it is trying to cool.

>>>> That said, the enclosure is not snug against top
>>>> and bottom of the drive--just the two long sides.

>>>> Air can flow around the drive quite easily.

>>> Sure, IF air was moved mechanically. However, without a fan the
>>> air has to move itself within the case. For that it needs enough
>>> space so that air can rise near the drive and descent near the
>>> case walls, thus transferring the heat energy to the case.

>> Nope, not if air can circulate thru the housing and out the top etc.

> Too bad that a Coolmax CD-311 -which the
> previous comments were based on- doesn't have that.

Irrelevant to the general claim you stupidly made.

>>> Without the necessary space the air will stay stagnant
>>> and act like an insulator, just like it does in double glazing.

>> Nothing like double glazing if the are can move from
>> within the case to outside it, even without a fan.

> Too bad that in a Coolmax CD-311 -which the previous
> comments were based on- that won't happen.

Irrelevant to the general claim you stupidly made.

> It's as good as air thight unless you
> take off the plastic clamps that double as feet.
> And even then the drive itself will block the airflow.

Irrelevant to the general claim you stupidly made.
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Deep insights! ... Ben Myers

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:38:53 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>Stretch <rubber.RemoveThis@ducks.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Stretch <rubber.RemoveThis@ducks.au> wrote
>>>> William R. Walsh wrote
>
>>>>>>> The drive fits snugly against the sides of the case,
>
>>>>>> Actually, that's not necessarily a good thing.
>
>>>>> If something is being used as a heatsink,
>
>>>>> it should be making good contact
>
>>>> Which it won't with only 4 screws (4 small points of contact).
>
>>> It aint just the screws that make contact, the
>>> screws pull the rails against the sides of the drives.
>
>> Which they won't, to the degree that is necessary
>> to make good contact over a larger area.
>
>Wrong, as always. They do that just as well as they do with internal drive stacks.
>
>> Only the metal between the screwhead and the (hopefully)
>> machined flat mounting hole will be making contact
>
>Wrong, as always.
>
>> and only if the screw is thightened to the extend that the (hopefully softmetal)
>> rail deforms to the shape of the drive's side around the mounting hole.
>
>Doesnt need to deform to make a lot more contact than your
>stupid pig ignorant claim about it just being the screws in contact.
>
>> For that you must probably use more force
>> than the drive's mounting instructions allow.
>
>Wrong, as always.
>
>> (And pity the drives that are mounted through the bottom holes).
>
>Still get the same effect with those.
>
>> With the afore mentioned Coolmax CD-311 the drive is mounted
>> (through the sides) in the extruded bottom halve of the enclosure
>> which (presumably) is of hardened aluminum.
>
>Stupid presumption.
>
>> The top halve is then slided onto the bottom hal- ve which
>> again doesn't make for very good contact with the bottom halve.
>
>Doesnt need to, the bottom half is plenty.
>
>>>>> with whatever it is trying to cool.
>
>>>>> That said, the enclosure is not snug against top
>>>>> and bottom of the drive--just the two long sides.
>
>>>>> Air can flow around the drive quite easily.
>
>>>> Sure, IF air was moved mechanically. However, without a fan the
>>>> air has to move itself within the case. For that it needs enough
>>>> space so that air can rise near the drive and descent near the
>>>> case walls, thus transferring the heat energy to the case.
>
>>> Nope, not if air can circulate thru the housing and out the top etc.
>
>> Too bad that a Coolmax CD-311 -which the
>> previous comments were based on- doesn't have that.
>
>Irrelevant to the general claim you stupidly made.
>
>>>> Without the necessary space the air will stay stagnant
>>>> and act like an insulator, just like it does in double glazing.
>
>>> Nothing like double glazing if the are can move from
>>> within the case to outside it, even without a fan.
>
>> Too bad that in a Coolmax CD-311 -which the previous
>> comments were based on- that won't happen.
>
>Irrelevant to the general claim you stupidly made.
>
>> It's as good as air thight unless you
>> take off the plastic clamps that double as feet.
>> And even then the drive itself will block the airflow.
>
>Irrelevant to the general claim you stupidly made.
>
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Ben Myers wrote
> Deep insights! ... Ben Myers

Yeah, it's always a joy to see Speedles explode when he's been beaten
and make a complete fool of himself.
He'd make an excellent study case for upcoming psychiatrists.

> On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:38:53 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Stretch <rubber.TakeThisOut@ducks.au> wrote
> > > Rod Speed wrote
> > > > Stretch <rubber.TakeThisOut@ducks.au> wrote
> > > > > William R. Walsh wrote
> >
> > > > > > > > The drive fits snugly against the sides of the case,
> > > > > > > Actually, that's not necessarily a good thing.
> > > > > > If something is being used as a heatsink, it should be making good contact
> > > > > Which it won't with only 4 screws (4 small points of contact).
> >
> > Wrong, as always.
> >
> > Wrong, as always.
> >
> >... stupid pig ignorant claim ...
> >
> > Wrong, as always.
> >
> > Stupid presumption.
> >
> > Irrelevant to the general claim you stupidly made.
> >
> > Irrelevant to the general claim you stupidly made.
> >
> > Irrelevant to the general claim you stupidly made.
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"Floyd" wrote:
> Ben Myers wrote
>> Deep insights! ... Ben Myers
>
> Yeah, it's always a joy to see Speedles explode when he's been beaten
> and make a complete fool of himself.
> He'd make an excellent study case for upcoming psychiatrists.

Actually, Roddels' doctor is a proctologist - hired to get that
arm out of Roddels' ass (after he gets Roddels' head out of
that ass). You see, Roddels is just a sock puppet that is kept
on the shelf along with more than half a dozen other sock
puppets when they're not in use by a very mentally-challenged
pensioner. "Stretch" and his fake mis-spellings are just this
person's latest rectal eruptions.

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Timothy Daniels wrote in news:47d09cc7$0$16675$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
> "Floyd" wrote:
> > Ben Myers wrote
> > > Deep insights! ... Ben Myers
> >
> > Yeah, it's always a joy to see Speedles explode when he's been beaten
> > and make a complete fool of himself.
> > He'd make an excellent study case for upcoming psychiatrists.
>
> Actually, Roddels' doctor is a proctologist - hired to get that
> arm out of Roddels' ass (after he gets Roddels' head out of
> that ass). You see, Roddels is just a sock puppet that is kept
> on the shelf along with more than half a dozen other sock
> puppets when they're not in use by a very mentally-challenged
> pensioner. "Stretch" and his fake mis-spellings are just this
> person's latest rectal eruptions.

Is that so, Timmy. Interesting. How's that mirror doing for you.

>
> *TimDaniels*
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"Floyd" <Fr8dnot.RemoveThis@Rubbermice.au> wrote:
> Is that so, Timmy. Interesting. How's that mirror doing for you.

And "Floyd" and "Stretch" have the pattern and the punch of a
wet paper bag with the same hand up its arse..

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Yours in spades

Ben Myers <ben_myers_spam_me_not DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote:
> Deep insights! ... Ben Myers
>
> On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:38:53 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Stretch <rubber DeleteThis @ducks.au> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Stretch <rubber DeleteThis @ducks.au> wrote
>>>>> William R. Walsh wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> The drive fits snugly against the sides of the case,
>>
>>>>>>> Actually, that's not necessarily a good thing.
>>
>>>>>> If something is being used as a heatsink,
>>
>>>>>> it should be making good contact
>>
>>>>> Which it won't with only 4 screws (4 small points of contact).
>>
>>>> It aint just the screws that make contact, the
>>>> screws pull the rails against the sides of the drives.
>>
>>> Which they won't, to the degree that is necessary
>>> to make good contact over a larger area.
>>
>> Wrong, as always. They do that just as well as they do with internal
>> drive stacks.
>>
>>> Only the metal between the screwhead and the (hopefully)
>>> machined flat mounting hole will be making contact
>>
>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>>> and only if the screw is thightened to the extend that the
>>> (hopefully softmetal) rail deforms to the shape of the drive's side
>>> around the mounting hole.
>>
>> Doesnt need to deform to make a lot more contact than your
>> stupid pig ignorant claim about it just being the screws in contact.
>>
>>> For that you must probably use more force
>>> than the drive's mounting instructions allow.
>>
>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>>> (And pity the drives that are mounted through the bottom holes).
>>
>> Still get the same effect with those.
>>
>>> With the afore mentioned Coolmax CD-311 the drive is mounted
>>> (through the sides) in the extruded bottom halve of the enclosure
>>> which (presumably) is of hardened aluminum.
>>
>> Stupid presumption.
>>
>>> The top halve is then slided onto the bottom hal- ve which
>>> again doesn't make for very good contact with the bottom halve.
>>
>> Doesnt need to, the bottom half is plenty.
>>
>>>>>> with whatever it is trying to cool.
>>
>>>>>> That said, the enclosure is not snug against top
>>>>>> and bottom of the drive--just the two long sides.
>>
>>>>>> Air can flow around the drive quite easily.
>>
>>>>> Sure, IF air was moved mechanically. However, without a fan the
>>>>> air has to move itself within the case. For that it needs enough
>>>>> space so that air can rise near the drive and descent near the
>>>>> case walls, thus transferring the heat energy to the case.
>>
>>>> Nope, not if air can circulate thru the housing and out the top
>>>> etc.
>>
>>> Too bad that a Coolmax CD-311 -which the
>>> previous comments were based on- doesn't have that.
>>
>> Irrelevant to the general claim you stupidly made.
>>
>>>>> Without the necessary space the air will stay stagnant
>>>>> and act like an insulator, just like it does in double glazing.
>>
>>>> Nothing like double glazing if the are can move from
>>>> within the case to outside it, even without a fan.
>>
>>> Too bad that in a Coolmax CD-311 -which the previous
>>> comments were based on- that won't happen.
>>
>> Irrelevant to the general claim you stupidly made.
>>
>>> It's as good as air thight unless you
>>> take off the plastic clamps that double as feet.
>>> And even then the drive itself will block the airflow.
>>
>> Irrelevant to the general claim you stupidly made.
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This was a very cool thread until the loonies took it over... Ben Myers

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:44:42 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
<SpamBucket DeleteThis @NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote:

>"Floyd" <Fr8dnot DeleteThis @Rubbermice.au> wrote:
>> Is that so, Timmy. Interesting. How's that mirror doing for you.
>
> And "Floyd" and "Stretch" have the pattern and the punch of a
>wet paper bag with the same hand up its arse..
>
>*TimDaniels*
>
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Timothy Daniels wrote:
> "Floyd" <Fr8dnot DeleteThis @Rubbermice.au> wrote:
>> Is that so, Timmy. Interesting. How's that mirror doing for you.
>
> And "Floyd" and "Stretch" have the pattern and the punch of a
> wet paper bag with the same hand up its arse..

Boys, boys!!!
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Stretch wrote:
>
> Rod Speed wrote in news:633b8iF25ri9mU1@mid.individual.net

<edited for brevity>

> > It aint just the screws that make contact, the screws pull the rails
> > against the sides of the drives.
>
> Which they won't, to the degree that is necessary to make good contact
> over a larger area. Only the metal between the screwhead and the (ho-
> pefully) machined flat mounting hole will be making contact and only if
> the screw is thightened to the extend that the (hopefully softmetal)
> rail deforms to the shape of the drive's side around the mounting hole.
> For that you must probably use more force than the drive's mounting
> instructions allow.
> (And pity the drives that are mounted through the bottom holes). With
> the afore mentioned Coolmax CD-311 the drive is mounted (through the
> sides) in the extruded bottom halve of the enclosure which (presumably)
> is of hardened aluminum. The top halve is then slided onto the bottom hal-
> ve which again doesn't make for very good contact with the bottom halve.

<edited>

Hello, Folkert:

Tsk, tsk, your English is atrocious, at times! You really shouldn't be so
hard on Arno Wagner, therefore.

Here are my corrections, to your above paragraphs:

tightened (was, "thightened")

soft metal (was, "softmetal")

aforementioned (was, "afore mentioned")

half (was, "halve")

slid (was, "slided")

Also, when hyphenating words, they must be divided by syllables, such as:

hope-fully (was, "ho-pefully")

Last, but not least, a single-syllable word >cannot< be hyphenated, at all:

halve (was, "hal-ve").

Okay, now, class is dismissed! <g>


Cordially,
John Turco <jtur.DeleteThis@concentric.net>
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"John Turco" wrote:
> Stretch wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> [.......]
> Hello, Folkert:
>
> Tsk, tsk, your English is atrocious, at times! You really shouldn't be so
> hard on Arno Wagner, therefore.
>
> Here are my corrections, to your above paragraphs:
> [.......]

You missed "extend" [should have been "extent"].
Rod/Folkert/Stretch/Joe/et. al. sleep on the same shelf
with kukuburos (to the extent that sock puppets can sleep).
<hee, hee>

*TimDaniels*
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