failed dvd rom firmware update

Martin wrote:

 >"chuck clark" <chuck DeleteThis @no-spam.mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
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 >
 >
  >>Hi,
  >> Ok, i just did the dumbest thing i could possibly do updating the
  >>firmware on
  >>this dvd-rom. First off it is a pioneer 500m. I have no floppy drive
  >>on this
  >>box so I burned a dos bootable cd and put it in the pioneer drive and
  >>rebooted. I put the firmware update on the bootable cd also.
  >>
  >> So when i booted to dos, i ran the firmware update. It deleted the old
  >>firmware fine, and then just froze, since then it could not read the
  >>cd in the drive, since no firmware. So right now I have a dvd drive
  >>
  >>
 >that
 >
 >
  >>has no firmware and I can not boot with it installed on my machine. If i
  >>try, the light stays on on the drive and the machine hangs 'detecting
  >>IDE devices..'
  >>
  >> I am not able to get into my bios set up or anything. I have no idea
  >>how to
  >>fix this. Any ideas?
  >>
  >>chuck
  >>
  >>
  >>
 >
 >Would you be able to complete the firmware update if you got the DVD-ROM
 >installed (temporarily) in a pc with a floppy or even a Windows 98 pc with
 >DOS boot-up??
 >
 >Martin.
 >
 >
 >

Hi,
The computer boots fine with the drive attached. I connect the drive,
and the
computer hangs at boot. I am unable to get into the bios when it hangs.
If i set it to no device on that ide channel it will boot, but the
firmware program
can not find the drive. I don't know if i have any options left.
I also tried putting it in one of my other boxes but similar
results. I don't think
there is a way to hard reset the firmware, like to a factory default.

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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:58:22 GMT, chuck clark
<chuck.TakeThisOut@no-spam.mail.utexas.edu> wrote:


 >Hi,
 > The computer boots fine with the drive attached.

Without you mean?


 > I connect the drive,
 >and the
 >computer hangs at boot. I am unable to get into the bios when it hangs.
 >If i set it to no device on that ide channel it will boot, but the
 >firmware program
 >can not find the drive. I don't know if i have any options left.
 > I also tried putting it in one of my other boxes but similar
 >results. I don't think
 >there is a way to hard reset the firmware, like to a factory default.

It would not matter if it could clear nvram memory (if it had any), you're
in the same situation you'd be in if the motherboard EEPROM were zeroed
out, logically empty, a "clear Cmos/reset" wouldn't do any good.

Odds are the EEPROM is surface-mount soldered onto the pcb. "IF" the
flasher can see the drive, or if the bios file is already in it's
flashable format, not self-extracting at the time of flashing, then an
alternative flasher might be used, one based around the chipset of the
drive (I don't know what chipset it is but a review somewhere might list
that info). For example, drives with mediatek chipsets can use various
versions of "mtkflash" (Google search to find a still-active link to it).

So, how to get the drive past that system halt?
I'd try booting another system (with a FLOPPY DRIVE or FAT32 HDD for the
files) to DOS, that system having a different ATAPI optical drive working.
After it's booted to dos, move the ide cable from the "good" drive to the
dead drive... essentially the system knows theres an atapi drive there,
you're just swapping in the dead one in it's place. I'd pull the ide
cable then power connector, then connect ide cable then power connector,
but perhaps this isn't the right order, you might need experiment with the
order... Safest would be to do this with the drive(s) attached to an old /
worthless system... I don't "think" it will damage the board but I can't
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that will teach ya` this computer term.....
if it ain`t broke , don`t fix it....


"chuck clark" <chuck DeleteThis @no-spam.mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:rCz3c.6106$sM4.4698@fe2.texas.rr.com...
 > Hi,
 > Ok, i just did the dumbest thing i could possibly do updating the
 > firmware on
 > this dvd-rom. First off it is a pioneer 500m. I have no floppy drive
 > on this
 > box so I burned a dos bootable cd and put it in the pioneer drive and
 > rebooted. I put the firmware update on the bootable cd also.
 >
 > So when i booted to dos, i ran the firmware update. It deleted the old
 > firmware fine, and then just froze, since then it could not read the
 > cd in the drive, since no firmware. So right now I have a dvd drive
that
 > has no firmware and I can not boot with it installed on my machine. If i
 > try, the light stays on on the drive and the machine hangs 'detecting
 > IDE devices..'
 >
 > I am not able to get into my bios set up or anything. I have no idea
 > how to
 > fix this. Any ideas?
 >
 > chuck
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ok well it didn't read dvd-r's so i needed to update the firmware
to give it this ablity.


Brad wrote:

 >that will teach ya` this computer term.....
 >if it ain`t broke , don`t fix it....
 >
 >
 >"chuck clark" <chuck RemoveThis @no-spam.mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
 >news:rCz3c.6106$sM4.4698@fe2.texas.rr.com...
 >
 >
  >>Hi,
  >> Ok, i just did the dumbest thing i could possibly do updating the
  >>firmware on
  >>this dvd-rom. First off it is a pioneer 500m. I have no floppy drive
  >>on this
  >>box so I burned a dos bootable cd and put it in the pioneer drive and
  >>rebooted. I put the firmware update on the bootable cd also.
  >>
  >> So when i booted to dos, i ran the firmware update. It deleted the old
  >>firmware fine, and then just froze, since then it could not read the
  >>cd in the drive, since no firmware. So right now I have a dvd drive
  >>
  >>
 >that
 >
 >
  >>has no firmware and I can not boot with it installed on my machine. If i
  >>try, the light stays on on the drive and the machine hangs 'detecting
  >>IDE devices..'
  >>
  >> I am not able to get into my bios set up or anything. I have no idea
  >>how to
  >>fix this. Any ideas?
  >>
  >>chuck
  >>
  >>
  >>
 >
 >
 >
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 >> Stay informed about: failed dvd rom firmware update 

First, go into your bios and choose to boot from your current HDD. Go on
the net and grab the firmware, or the version before the one you failed.

There're 2 things you can try booting up that baby:

1. Boot from a USB flash drive, if your mobo supports it. Copy the firmware
and flash util to this usb drive and boot it and flash it back.

OR

2. install a floppy and do the same thing.

I know how it'd feel like cuz my box don't have a floppy either

-bron

"chuck clark" <chuck.TakeThisOut@no-spam.mail.utexas.edu> ???
news:mTA3c.18031$u53.1541@fe1.texas.rr.com ???...
 > ok well it didn't read dvd-r's so i needed to update the firmware
 > to give it this ablity.
 >
 >
 > Brad wrote:
 >
  > >that will teach ya` this computer term.....
  > >if it ain`t broke , don`t fix it....
  > >
  > >
  > >"chuck clark" <chuck.TakeThisOut@no-spam.mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
  > >news:rCz3c.6106$sM4.4698@fe2.texas.rr.com...
  > >
  > >
   > >>Hi,
   > >> Ok, i just did the dumbest thing i could possibly do updating the
   > >>firmware on
   > >>this dvd-rom. First off it is a pioneer 500m. I have no floppy drive
   > >>on this
   > >>box so I burned a dos bootable cd and put it in the pioneer drive and
   > >>rebooted. I put the firmware update on the bootable cd also.
   > >>
   > >> So when i booted to dos, i ran the firmware update. It deleted the
old
   > >>firmware fine, and then just froze, since then it could not read the
   > >>cd in the drive, since no firmware. So right now I have a dvd drive
   > >>
   > >>
  > >that
  > >
  > >
   > >>has no firmware and I can not boot with it installed on my machine. If
i
   > >>try, the light stays on on the drive and the machine hangs 'detecting
   > >>IDE devices..'
   > >>
   > >> I am not able to get into my bios set up or anything. I have no idea
   > >>how to
   > >>fix this. Any ideas?
   > >>
   > >>chuck
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
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Time for a new drive.

--
DaveW



"chuck clark" <chuck.RemoveThis@no-spam.mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:rCz3c.6106$sM4.4698@fe2.texas.rr.com...
 > Hi,
 > Ok, i just did the dumbest thing i could possibly do updating the
 > firmware on
 > this dvd-rom. First off it is a pioneer 500m. I have no floppy drive
 > on this
 > box so I burned a dos bootable cd and put it in the pioneer drive and
 > rebooted. I put the firmware update on the bootable cd also.
 >
 > So when i booted to dos, i ran the firmware update. It deleted the old
 > firmware fine, and then just froze, since then it could not read the
 > cd in the drive, since no firmware. So right now I have a dvd drive
that
 > has no firmware and I can not boot with it installed on my machine. If i
 > try, the light stays on on the drive and the machine hangs 'detecting
 > IDE devices..'
 >
 > I am not able to get into my bios set up or anything. I have no idea
 > how to
 > fix this. Any ideas?
 >
 > chuck
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chuck clark wrote:
 > Hi,
 > Ok, i just did the dumbest thing i could possibly do updating the
 > firmware on
 > this dvd-rom. First off it is a pioneer 500m. I have no floppy drive
 > on this
 > box so I burned a dos bootable cd and put it in the pioneer drive and
 > rebooted. I put the firmware update on the bootable cd also.
 >
 > So when i booted to dos, i ran the firmware update. It deleted the
 > old firmware fine, and then just froze, since then it could not read
 > the
 > cd in the drive, since no firmware.

Man, sorry to make light of your misfortune but that's just plain dumb. I'm
just glad I didn't try it. (I have been known to have dumb moments
myself)

I may have to share your story though, it's a classic, in the "What not to
do" sense.

Commiserations on your drive, I hope you can get it fixed. Kony's suggestion
sounds viable. Althoug I'd have power hooked up to both drives and just swap
the IDE while it's running. With an older PC if you can get your hands on
one. With any luck (and you deserve some) it shouldn't damage the IDE
controller. I'd attempt it for you on one of my older machines if you were
local to me but it's a long way from Texas to New Zealand.
--
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"chuck clark" <chuck.TakeThisOut@no-spam.mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:ixC3c.7889$sM4.6524@fe2.texas.rr.com...
 >
 >
 > Martin wrote:
 >
  > >"chuck clark" <chuck.TakeThisOut@no-spam.mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
  > >news:rCz3c.6106$sM4.4698@fe2.texas.rr.com...
  > >
  > >
   > >>Hi,
   > >> Ok, i just did the dumbest thing i could possibly do updating the
   > >>firmware on
   > >>this dvd-rom. First off it is a pioneer 500m. I have no floppy drive
   > >>on this
   > >>box so I burned a dos bootable cd and put it in the pioneer drive and
   > >>rebooted. I put the firmware update on the bootable cd also.
   > >>
   > >> So when i booted to dos, i ran the firmware update. It deleted the
old
   > >>firmware fine, and then just froze, since then it could not read the
   > >>cd in the drive, since no firmware. So right now I have a dvd drive
   > >>
   > >>
  > >that
  > >
  > >
   > >>has no firmware and I can not boot with it installed on my machine. If
i
   > >>try, the light stays on on the drive and the machine hangs 'detecting
   > >>IDE devices..'
   > >>
   > >> I am not able to get into my bios set up or anything. I have no idea
   > >>how to
   > >>fix this. Any ideas?
   > >>
   > >>chuck
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
  > >
  > >Would you be able to complete the firmware update if you got the DVD-ROM
  > >installed (temporarily) in a pc with a floppy or even a Windows 98 pc
with
  > >DOS boot-up??
  > >
  > >Martin.
  > >
  > >
  > >
 >
 > Hi,
 > The computer boots fine with the drive attached. I connect the drive,
 > and the
 > computer hangs at boot. I am unable to get into the bios when it hangs.
 > If i set it to no device on that ide channel it will boot, but the
 > firmware program
 > can not find the drive. I don't know if i have any options left.
 > I also tried putting it in one of my other boxes but similar
 > results. I don't think
 > there is a way to hard reset the firmware, like to a factory default.
 >
 > chuck
 >
 >
 >

An idea....

Could you get an external USB type drive housing and try booting the pc with
the DVD-ROM connected via the USB??
Maybe boot with no DVD-ROM then hot-swap it.
Or can the firmware flash only be performed via the IDE bus?

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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:39:03 GMT, chuck clark
<chuck RemoveThis @no-spam.mail.utexas.edu> wrote:

 > Ok, i just did the dumbest thing i could possibly do updating the
 >firmware on
 >this dvd-rom.

 > So right now I have a dvd drive that
 >has no firmware and I can not boot with it installed on my machine. If i
 >try, the light stays on on the drive and the machine hangs 'detecting
 >IDE devices..'
 >
 > I am not able to get into my bios set up or anything. I have no idea
 >how to
 >fix this. Any ideas?

google for MtkWinFlash program /carefully read instructions!/

you can flash your drive from Windoze even if the drive can not be
seen in device manager

worth a try ..

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