Can you and or I fix a broken pin of a Hard disk ?

Its oneof these

10 DD11 IN/OUT Data 11
11 DD3 IN/OUT Data 3

Are these ground pins ?? don't sound like it ?


On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:50:26 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:

 >
 >We Live For The One We Die For The One <efternavn.DeleteThis@doktor.dk>
 >wrote in message news:4bevvvk0mh36ub1j7df1ph7ggv6mutkrtg@4ax.com...
 >
  >> Anyone done it ?
 >
 >Yes, some have.
 >
  >> And how would i go about doing it,
  >> material needed and parts needed ?
 >
 >Basically you use the connector off a dead drive.
 >
 >Not a particularly difficult operation if you have done quite a bit
 >of that sort of soldering, but not something to try learning on.
 >
  >> Its the pin on the top row, in the notch position, its a pin needed i think
 >
 >Nope, its just one of the ground pins.
 >http://www.technick.net/public/code/cp_dpage.php?aiocp_dp=pinconhdd_ata_int&PHPSESSID=c37bda1af5f6d47d54ed84d04200064e
 >
  >> as the disk wont boot anymore, not even on secondary NOTHING
 >
 >Likely you've got a much more serious problem.
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How many ground pins are they can you miss one and be ok ??

Its an IBM disk their quiet ones, 40 gig.

Deskstar i thinks the name.

Thanks.


On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:50:26 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:

 >
 >We Live For The One We Die For The One <efternavn.RemoveThis@doktor.dk>
 >wrote in message news:4bevvvk0mh36ub1j7df1ph7ggv6mutkrtg@4ax.com...
 >
  >> Anyone done it ?
 >
 >Yes, some have.
 >
  >> And how would i go about doing it,
  >> material needed and parts needed ?
 >
 >Basically you use the connector off a dead drive.
 >
 >Not a particularly difficult operation if you have done quite a bit
 >of that sort of soldering, but not something to try learning on.
 >
  >> Its the pin on the top row, in the notch position, its a pin needed i think
 >
 >Nope, its just one of the ground pins.
 >http://www.technick.net/public/code/cp_dpage.php?aiocp_dp=pinconhdd_ata_int&PHPSESSID=c37bda1af5f6d47d54ed84d04200064e
 >
  >> as the disk wont boot anymore, not even on secondary NOTHING
 >
 >Likely you've got a much more serious problem.
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Sorry did not read the diagram right, it seems from what i can see Pin
19 is broken ?

I'am going to give it another go and see if it works, might have set
the conectors wrong for the drive i will test it

Would give me another 40 gigs of storage, which i need.



On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:50:26 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
wrote:

 >
 >We Live For The One We Die For The One <efternavn.TakeThisOut@doktor.dk>
 >wrote in message news:4bevvvk0mh36ub1j7df1ph7ggv6mutkrtg@4ax.com...
 >
  >> Anyone done it ?
 >
 >Yes, some have.
 >
  >> And how would i go about doing it,
  >> material needed and parts needed ?
 >
 >Basically you use the connector off a dead drive.
 >
 >Not a particularly difficult operation if you have done quite a bit
 >of that sort of soldering, but not something to try learning on.
 >
  >> Its the pin on the top row, in the notch position, its a pin needed i think
 >
 >Nope, its just one of the ground pins.
 >http://www.technick.net/public/code/cp_dpage.php?aiocp_dp=pinconhdd_ata_int&PHPSESSID=c37bda1af5f6d47d54ed84d04200064e
 >
  >> as the disk wont boot anymore, not even on secondary NOTHING
 >
 >Likely you've got a much more serious problem.
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Can you and or I fix a broken pin of a Hard disk ? 

We Live For The One We Die For The One wrote:

 >
 > Anyone done it ?
 >
 > And how would i go about doing it, material needed and parts needed ?
 >
 > Its the pin on the top row, in the notch position, its a pin needed i
 > think as the disk wont boot anymore, not even on secondary NOTHING
 >
 > Any help.

Temporary solution find a piece of wire the right size, poke it through the
connector shell from the back and solder it to the right pad. Permanent
solution, find a connector (either buy one or cannibalize a dead drive) and
replace the existing one.

If you're not _real_ comfortable with a soldering iron though find someone
who is to do the work.

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--John
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 > 10 DD11 IN/OUT Data 11
 > 11 DD3 IN/OUT Data 3
 > Are these ground pins ?? don't sound like it ?

Nope. DD11' and DD3 are 2 out of 16 wires
on the IDE cable used to read and write to
registers on the ATA device.

(There are other wires/pins too, other than the DDx
wires, and these are mostly for control signals. In
addition you of course have all the grounded wires.)

With these pins broken, your ATA device probably (and
hopefully) won't pass the self diagnostics run during
the reset protocol. Hence you won't hear from it when
listening to it from the host side.

It's possible to solder new pins in place, if you have
access to such pins. If you don't you can order them
online from companies like ELFA and RS and such.

I would suggest that you'd be carefull when you do the
actual soldering though. "Soldering tools" (I have no
idea what it's called in english...) can often produce
massive amounts of electromagnetic radiation when turned
on and off, which will often be the case when you sit and
work, and the thermostate kicks in. For all I know, this
may actually damage the drive. But I'm not sure.

Good luck
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"Fred H" <secret RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message news:opr1tg43qcqlpr0e@news.mimer.no...
 >
  > > 10 DD11 IN/OUT Data 11
  > > 11 DD3 IN/OUT Data 3
  > > Are these ground pins ?? don't sound like it ?
 >
 > Nope. DD11' and DD3 are 2 out of 16 wires
 > on the IDE cable used to read and write to
 > registers on the ATA device.
 >
 > (There are other wires/pins too, other than the DDx
 > wires, and these are mostly for control signals. In
 > addition you of course have all the grounded wires.)
 >
 > With these pins broken, your ATA device probably (and
 > hopefully) won't pass the self diagnostics run during
 > the reset protocol. Hence you won't hear from it when
 > listening to it from the host side.
 >
 > It's possible to solder new pins in place, if you have
 > access to such pins. If you don't you can order them
 > online from companies like ELFA and RS and such.

 > I would suggest that you'd be carefull when you
 > do the actual soldering though. "Soldering tools"
 > (I have no idea what it's called in english...)

Usually called soldering stations in english.

 > can often produce massive amounts of
 > electromagnetic radiation when turned on and off,

Oh bullshit.

 > which will often be the case when you sit and
 > work, and the thermostate kicks in. For all I know,
 > this may actually damage the drive. But I'm not sure.

Corse it doesnt. And you would normally need to remove
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I have to take off the circut board right, but i can't its got this
start screw head my Screw drivers don't work their defective

Can you buy HD pins likeat an Electronics store ?

And when i solder what kind of solder ?

And if i did fix it would i trust the drive or not ?

Might just use it for games and non essential stuff like that, NO Porn
or Mp3's :0

Thanks.


On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:32:36 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> wrote:

 >We Live For The One We Die For The One wrote:
 >
  >>
  >> Anyone done it ?
  >>
  >> And how would i go about doing it, material needed and parts needed ?
  >>
  >> Its the pin on the top row, in the notch position, its a pin needed i
  >> think as the disk wont boot anymore, not even on secondary NOTHING
  >>
  >> Any help.
 >
 >Temporary solution find a piece of wire the right size, poke it through the
 >connector shell from the back and solder it to the right pad. Permanent
 >solution, find a connector (either buy one or cannibalize a dead drive) and
 >replace the existing one.
 >
 >If you're not _real_ comfortable with a soldering iron though find someone
 >who is to do the work.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Can you and or I fix a broken pin of a Hard disk ? 

We Live For The One We Die For The One wrote:

 >
 > I have to take off the circut board right, but i can't its got this
 > start screw head my Screw drivers don't work their defective

It's called a "torx". You can get a nice set of miniature Torx drivers that
is just right for taking disks and the like apart at Sears.

 > Can you buy HD pins likeat an Electronics store ?

Not as separate items--you'd have to get a new connector and pull one of the
pins out.

 > And when i solder what kind of solder ?

Rosin core.

 > And if i did fix it would i trust the drive or not ?

That's up to you. If it's holding the financials for IBM probably not. If
it's holding your porn collection then maybe.

 > Might just use it for games and non essential stuff like that, NO Porn
 > or Mp3's :0

 > Thanks.
 >
 >
 > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:32:36 -0500, "J. Clarke"
 > <jclarke.RemoveThis@nospam.invalid> wrote:
 >
  >>We Live For The One We Die For The One wrote:
  >>
   >>>
   >>> Anyone done it ?
   >>>
   >>> And how would i go about doing it, material needed and parts needed ?
   >>>
   >>> Its the pin on the top row, in the notch position, its a pin needed i
   >>> think as the disk wont boot anymore, not even on secondary NOTHING
   >>>
   >>> Any help.
  >>
  >>Temporary solution find a piece of wire the right size, poke it through
  >>the
  >>connector shell from the back and solder it to the right pad. Permanent
  >>solution, find a connector (either buy one or cannibalize a dead drive)
  >>and replace the existing one.
  >>
  >>If you're not _real_ comfortable with a soldering iron though find someone
  >>who is to do the work.

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We Live For The One We Die For The One <efternavn DeleteThis @doktor.dk> wrote
in message news:on3l00d93m5brko7g9r30oiuc72g32stqm@4ax.com...

 > I have to take off the circut board right, but i can't its got this
 > start screw head my Screw drivers don't work their defective

 > Can you buy HD pins likeat an Electronics store ?

Nope, you have to get the connector off an old dead drive.

 > And when i solder what kind of solder ?

If you have to ask a question like that, you shouldnt
be doing it yourself. Pay a TV tech to do it for you.

 > And if i did fix it would i trust the drive or not ?

If the repair is done competantly it will be as good as new.

If it isnt, all bets are off.

 > Might just use it for games and non essential
 > stuff like that, NO Porn or Mp3's :0


 > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:32:36 -0500, "J. Clarke"
 > <jclarke DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> wrote:
 >
  > >We Live For The One We Die For The One wrote:
  > >
   > >>
   > >> Anyone done it ?
   > >>
   > >> And how would i go about doing it, material needed and parts needed ?
   > >>
   > >> Its the pin on the top row, in the notch position, its a pin needed i
   > >> think as the disk wont boot anymore, not even on secondary NOTHING
   > >>
   > >> Any help.
  > >
  > >Temporary solution find a piece of wire the right size, poke it through the
  > >connector shell from the back and solder it to the right pad. Permanent
  > >solution, find a connector (either buy one or cannibalize a dead drive) and
  > >replace the existing one.
  > >
  > >If you're not _real_ comfortable with a soldering iron though find someone
  > >who is to do the work.
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Can you and or I fix a broken pin of a Hard disk ? 

My Porn collection not essential ????,




On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:32:42 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.TakeThisOut@nospam.invalid> wrote:

 >We Live For The One We Die For The One wrote:
 >
  >>
  >> I have to take off the circut board right, but i can't its got this
  >> start screw head my Screw drivers don't work their defective
 >
 >It's called a "torx". You can get a nice set of miniature Torx drivers that
 >is just right for taking disks and the like apart at Sears.
 >
  >> Can you buy HD pins likeat an Electronics store ?
 >
 >Not as separate items--you'd have to get a new connector and pull one of the
 >pins out.
 >
  >> And when i solder what kind of solder ?
 >
 >Rosin core.
 >
  >> And if i did fix it would i trust the drive or not ?
 >
 >That's up to you. If it's holding the financials for IBM probably not. If
 >it's holding your porn collection then maybe.
 >
  >> Might just use it for games and non essential stuff like that, NO Porn
  >> or Mp3's :0
 >
  >> Thanks.
  >>
  >>
  >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:32:36 -0500, "J. Clarke"
  >> <jclarke.TakeThisOut@nospam.invalid> wrote:
  >>
   >>>We Live For The One We Die For The One wrote:
   >>>
   >>>>
   >>>> Anyone done it ?
   >>>>
   >>>> And how would i go about doing it, material needed and parts needed ?
   >>>>
   >>>> Its the pin on the top row, in the notch position, its a pin needed i
   >>>> think as the disk wont boot anymore, not even on secondary NOTHING
   >>>>
   >>>> Any help.
   >>>
   >>>Temporary solution find a piece of wire the right size, poke it through
   >>>the
   >>>connector shell from the back and solder it to the right pad. Permanent
   >>>solution, find a connector (either buy one or cannibalize a dead drive)
   >>>and replace the existing one.
   >>>
   >>>If you're not _real_ comfortable with a soldering iron though find someone
   >>>who is to do the work.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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