Do I need drivers for a SATA drive?

Sorry and yes, XP Home Edition with SP2

"Pete D" <no.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote in message
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 > I guess if you told us what version of Windows you you are using then we
 > might be able to tell you. If XP then it will not be needed.
 >
 >
 > "Igor" <jruh@comcastDOTnet> wrote in message
 > news:55KdnbEAx4x1tj3cRVn-pg@comcast.com...
  > > I'm building a new system using the K8N-E Deluxe motherboard. I am
  > > considering buying a SATA drive (not planning on using it in any RAID
  > > configuration).
  > > Do I hear correctly that I will need to install Windows drivers in order
  > > to
  > > get the drive to work?
  > > This might seem like a dumb question but how would I load Windows onto a
  > > blank drive if the drive won't work without having the drivers
installed?
  > > Someone told me this is the reason I will still need to have a floppy
  > > drive
  > > on my system. I'm not really sure that makes sense.
  > >
  > > Thanks, John
  > >
  > >
 >
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 >> Stay informed about: Do I need drivers for a SATA drive? 

Yes, you need drivers. They are included on the ASUS cd, which has a utility
to make a floppy disk with the SATA/RAID drivers (for the NVIDIA controller.
There's also a promise controller on this board). When booting from the
windows cd, you immediately get the option to load special drivers by
pressing F6. Then you use that floppy...
On your board are two SATA controllers. I think it's best to connect your
SATA drive to the NVDIA controller.

Martin
The Netherlands



"Igor" <jruh@comcastDOTnet> schreef in bericht
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 > Sorry and yes, XP Home Edition with SP2
 >
 > "Pete D" <no.DeleteThis@email.com> wrote in message
 > news:R7Xnd.43710$K7.33786@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
  >> I guess if you told us what version of Windows you you are using then we
  >> might be able to tell you. If XP then it will not be needed.
  >>
  >>
  >> "Igor" <jruh@comcastDOTnet> wrote in message
  >> news:55KdnbEAx4x1tj3cRVn-pg@comcast.com...
   >> > I'm building a new system using the K8N-E Deluxe motherboard. I am
   >> > considering buying a SATA drive (not planning on using it in any RAID
   >> > configuration).
   >> > Do I hear correctly that I will need to install Windows drivers in
   >> > order
   >> > to
   >> > get the drive to work?
   >> > This might seem like a dumb question but how would I load Windows onto
   >> > a
   >> > blank drive if the drive won't work without having the drivers
 > installed?
   >> > Someone told me this is the reason I will still need to have a floppy
   >> > drive
   >> > on my system. I'm not really sure that makes sense.
   >> >
   >> > Thanks, John
   >> >
   >> >
  >>
  >>
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Do I need drivers for a SATA drive? 

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:50:59 -0600, "Igor" <jruh@comcastDOTnet> wrote:

 >I'm building a new system using the K8N-E Deluxe motherboard. I am
 >considering buying a SATA drive (not planning on using it in any RAID
 >configuration).
 >Do I hear correctly that I will need to install Windows drivers in order to
 >get the drive to work?
 >This might seem like a dumb question but how would I load Windows onto a
 >blank drive if the drive won't work without having the drivers installed?
 >Someone told me this is the reason I will still need to have a floppy drive
 >on my system. I'm not really sure that makes sense.
 >
 >Thanks, John
 >
Wow, you have gotten a whole range of answers for this. You do NOT
need to go through the F6 (third party drivers) when using a SATA
drive in a non-raid setup. Windows XP will detect the drive fine
without any special drivers. As with most newer systems, it will be
necessary to provide XP with chipset drivers for your board once the
initial installation is done, just as you would if you were using an
EIDE drive.

Ender

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Do I need drivers for a SATA drive? 

"Igor" <jruh@comcastDOTnet> wrote in message
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 > I'm building a new system using the K8N-E Deluxe motherboard. I am
 > considering buying a SATA drive (not planning on using it in any RAID
 > configuration).
 > Do I hear correctly that I will need to install Windows drivers in order
 > to
 > get the drive to work?
 > This might seem like a dumb question but how would I load Windows onto a
 > blank drive if the drive won't work without having the drivers installed?
 > Someone told me this is the reason I will still need to have a floppy
 > drive
 > on my system. I'm not really sure that makes sense.
 >
 > Thanks, John
 >
 >


There are no Sata or SCSI drivers in XP. You will need to have the driver on
a floppy,and hit F6 when asked when first installing the OS. Even if you are
not going to use raid you need the drivers so XP will recognize the drive.
DOUG<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Courseyauto" <courseyauto.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Igor" <jruh@comcastDOTnet> wrote in message
 > news:55KdnbEAx4x1tj3cRVn-pg@comcast.com...
  >> I'm building a new system using the K8N-E Deluxe motherboard. I am
  >> considering buying a SATA drive (not planning on using it in any RAID
  >> configuration).
  >> Do I hear correctly that I will need to install Windows drivers in order
  >> to
  >> get the drive to work?
  >> This might seem like a dumb question but how would I load Windows onto a
  >> blank drive if the drive won't work without having the drivers installed?
  >> Someone told me this is the reason I will still need to have a floppy
  >> drive
  >> on my system. I'm not really sure that makes sense.
  >>
  >> Thanks, John
  >>
  >>
 >
 >
 > There are no Sata or SCSI drivers in XP. You will need to have the driver
 > on
 > a floppy,and hit F6 when asked when first installing the OS. Even if you
 > are
 > not going to use raid you need the drivers so XP will recognize the drive.
 > DOUG

Be sure to use the correct drivers. There are different drivers for just
SATA and SATA RAID. You also have to have the correct settings in the BIOS.
The SATA drivers won't work if you have the BIOS set to RAID.

Is this getting too complicated ? What ever happened to thet plug n play
stuff ?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Do I need drivers for a SATA drive? 

I really think you're mistaken. I've installed two systems with the F6
option the last week... If the SATA drive is the only drive in the system
and you want to do a new Windows install on it, you will need to load the
drivers from disk.
You would have been right if you add a SATA drive to an existing system.

 > Wow, you have gotten a whole range of answers for this. You do NOT
 > need to go through the F6 (third party drivers) when using a SATA
 > drive in a non-raid setup. Windows XP will detect the drive fine
 > without any special drivers. As with most newer systems, it will be
 > necessary to provide XP with chipset drivers for your board once the
 > initial installation is done, just as you would if you were using an
 > EIDE drive.
 >
 > Ender
 >
 > "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
 > nothing." Edmund Burke<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Do I need drivers for a SATA drive? 

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:05:47 +0100, "Martin" <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.nl> wrote:

 >I really think you're mistaken. I've installed two systems with the F6
 >option the last week... If the SATA drive is the only drive in the system
 >and you want to do a new Windows install on it, you will need to load the
 >drivers from disk.
 >You would have been right if you add a SATA drive to an existing system.
 >
  >> Wow, you have gotten a whole range of answers for this. You do NOT
  >> need to go through the F6 (third party drivers) when using a SATA
  >> drive in a non-raid setup. Windows XP will detect the drive fine
  >> without any special drivers. As with most newer systems, it will be
  >> necessary to provide XP with chipset drivers for your board once the
  >> initial installation is done, just as you would if you were using an
  >> EIDE drive.
  >>
  >> Ender
  >>
  >> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
  >> nothing." Edmund Burke
 >
Many people agree with you. The reality is, in a clean install of XP,
if your bios can see it, XP will also. It worked that way for me in a
clean 745P chipset install, and also an A7N8X (Nvidia Chipset) both
with WD 74G Raptor SATA drives. I asked the same question when
building my first systemswith a SATA boot drive and received a mixed
venue of advice. The response from ASUS was: You can do it with or
without installing drivers at the F6 prompt. They did point out that
If you wish to do a "RAID ready" install, you can install the provided
drivers at the F6 prompt, but if you have no intention of running RAID
then you can skip that step. Windows XP will use the drivers:

c:\windows\system32\drivers\disk.sys
c:\windows\system32\drivers\PartMgr.sys

Regards,

Ender

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Do I need drivers for a SATA drive? 

"Ender" <enderwiggin3rd.DeleteThis@SBhotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:05:47 +0100, "Martin" <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.nl> wrote:
 >
  >>I really think you're mistaken. I've installed two systems with the F6
  >>option the last week... If the SATA drive is the only drive in the system
  >>and you want to do a new Windows install on it, you will need to load the
  >>drivers from disk.
  >>You would have been right if you add a SATA drive to an existing system.
  >>
   >>> Wow, you have gotten a whole range of answers for this. You do NOT
   >>> need to go through the F6 (third party drivers) when using a SATA
   >>> drive in a non-raid setup. Windows XP will detect the drive fine
   >>> without any special drivers. As with most newer systems, it will be
   >>> necessary to provide XP with chipset drivers for your board once the
   >>> initial installation is done, just as you would if you were using an
   >>> EIDE drive.
   >>>
   >>> Ender
   >>>
   >>> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
   >>> nothing." Edmund Burke
  >>
 > Many people agree with you. The reality is, in a clean install of XP,
 > if your bios can see it, XP will also. It worked that way for me in a
 > clean 745P chipset install, and also an A7N8X (Nvidia Chipset) both
 > with WD 74G Raptor SATA drives. I asked the same question when
 > building my first systemswith a SATA boot drive and received a mixed
 > venue of advice. The response from ASUS was: You can do it with or
 > without installing drivers at the F6 prompt. They did point out that
 > If you wish to do a "RAID ready" install, you can install the provided
 > drivers at the F6 prompt, but if you have no intention of running RAID
 > then you can skip that step. Windows XP will use the drivers:
 >
 > c:\windows\system32\drivers\disk.sys
 > c:\windows\system32\drivers\PartMgr.sys
 >

Depends on the chipset I guess. WinXP required drivers for the Promise SATA
on my K8V. I also can't install WinXP64 on my Promise SATA because it
doesn't find any drives and doesn't have drivers. I installed it on an PATA
drive. There was a special compile of SuSE 9.0 x86_64 with Promise SATA
drivers. etc. Maybe it's just the Promise chipset.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Do I need drivers for a SATA drive? 

 >Depends on the chipset I guess. WinXP required drivers for the Promise SATA
 >on my K8V. I also can't install WinXP64 on my Promise SATA because it
 >doesn't find any drives and doesn't have drivers. I installed it on an PATA
 >drive. There was a special compile of SuSE 9.0 x86_64 with Promise SATA
 >drivers. etc. Maybe it's just the Promise chipset.
 >
I think you are correct on that one. I know for sure that the Intel
IHC5 controller installs XP on a clean SATA boot drive with the native
XP drivers, and the A7N8X Deluxe seemed to handle it fine, (don't
remember what controller is on that board), but after looking this
thread over I did some searching into a number of forums and you and
the other guys are right on target. It seems some of the controllers
will not allow installation of a SATA drive without an F6 call for
specific drivers. In any event, it sounds like Martin got it all
installed following yours and others good advice so that is a good
thing. Thanks for the follow up post.

Regards,

Ender
____
[____]
(OIIIIIIO)
[] []<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Do I need drivers for a SATA drive? 

Thanks everyone for the good information. I thought the day had come when
we don't need to have a floppy drive on our systems anymore but I guess this
is one reason to keep it. Too bad we couldn't have the option to press F6
and load the drivers straight from the Asus CD using a second CD/DVD drive.
Or couldn't they be flashed onto a chip on the motherboard.
I will use my old hard drives to build this and maybe buy a SATA drive
later. If it becomes too complicated to use the SATA for my boot drive then
I will use it as a secondary drive to record television to. But it sounds
like it should work fine as the boot drive, just some new things for me to
learn.
Does anyone here have any experience using Geil Value Dual Channel memory on
this motherboard (K8N-E Deluxe)? I do realize that this board does not
support the dual channel memory mode but it still seems like decent memory
and inexpensive compared to other brands. I've read some good reviews for
it online.

Thanks again, John
"Igor" <jruh@comcastDOTnet> wrote in message
news:55KdnbEAx4x1tj3cRVn-pg@comcast.com...
 > I'm building a new system using the K8N-E Deluxe motherboard. I am
 > considering buying a SATA drive (not planning on using it in any RAID
 > configuration).
 > Do I hear correctly that I will need to install Windows drivers in order
to
 > get the drive to work?
 > This might seem like a dumb question but how would I load Windows onto a
 > blank drive if the drive won't work without having the drivers installed?
 > Someone told me this is the reason I will still need to have a floppy
drive
 > on my system. I'm not really sure that makes sense.
 >
 > Thanks, John
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Do I need drivers for a SATA drive? 

I will remember that for my next install, in a year or so
Must say, it's the first time I hear this. I does explain the poor
explanation in the mobo's manual though... They only mention needing a disk
for a SATA/RAID install. I thought that meant: SATA or RAID...

--
Martin
The Netherlands

"Ender" <enderwiggin3rd.DeleteThis@SBhotmail.com> schreef in bericht
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 > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:05:47 +0100, "Martin" <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.nl> wrote:
 >
  >>I really think you're mistaken. I've installed two systems with the F6
  >>option the last week... If the SATA drive is the only drive in the system
  >>and you want to do a new Windows install on it, you will need to load the
  >>drivers from disk.
  >>You would have been right if you add a SATA drive to an existing system.
  >>
   >>> Wow, you have gotten a whole range of answers for this. You do NOT
   >>> need to go through the F6 (third party drivers) when using a SATA
   >>> drive in a non-raid setup. Windows XP will detect the drive fine
   >>> without any special drivers. As with most newer systems, it will be
   >>> necessary to provide XP with chipset drivers for your board once the
   >>> initial installation is done, just as you would if you were using an
   >>> EIDE drive.
   >>>
   >>> Ender
   >>>
   >>> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
   >>> nothing." Edmund Burke
  >>
 > Many people agree with you. The reality is, in a clean install of XP,
 > if your bios can see it, XP will also. It worked that way for me in a
 > clean 745P chipset install, and also an A7N8X (Nvidia Chipset) both
 > with WD 74G Raptor SATA drives. I asked the same question when
 > building my first systemswith a SATA boot drive and received a mixed
 > venue of advice. The response from ASUS was: You can do it with or
 > without installing drivers at the F6 prompt. They did point out that
 > If you wish to do a "RAID ready" install, you can install the provided
 > drivers at the F6 prompt, but if you have no intention of running RAID
 > then you can skip that step. Windows XP will use the drivers:
 >
 > c:\windows\system32\drivers\disk.sys
 > c:\windows\system32\drivers\PartMgr.sys
 >
 > Regards,
 >
 > Ender
 >
 > "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
 > nothing." Edmund Burke<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Do I need drivers for a SATA drive? 

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:32:49 +0100, "Martin" <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.nl> wrote:

 >I will remember that for my next install, in a year or so
 >Must say, it's the first time I hear this. I does explain the poor
 >explanation in the mobo's manual though... They only mention needing a disk
 >for a SATA/RAID install. I thought that meant: SATA or RAID...

Good luck Martin, hope it has gone well! Hopefully you will not need
a new install so soon!

Regards,

Ender

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Do I need drivers for a SATA drive? 

My own PC is a a7n8x deluxe. It has a Silicon Image controller... I
installed it with the F6 option. But apparently that wasn't necessary, cause
you installed it without that.
I did notice that, once in windows, the controller got recognised and
installed. There's an entry in the configution screen of windows now. That
didn't happen on the K8N board (using the NVDIA controller).

--
Martin
The Netherlands

"Ender" <enderwiggin3rd RemoveThis @SBhotmail.com> schreef in bericht
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  > >Depends on the chipset I guess. WinXP required drivers for the Promise
  > >SATA
  >>on my K8V. I also can't install WinXP64 on my Promise SATA because it
  >>doesn't find any drives and doesn't have drivers. I installed it on an
  >>PATA
  >>drive. There was a special compile of SuSE 9.0 x86_64 with Promise SATA
  >>drivers. etc. Maybe it's just the Promise chipset.
  >>
 > I think you are correct on that one. I know for sure that the Intel
 > IHC5 controller installs XP on a clean SATA boot drive with the native
 > XP drivers, and the A7N8X Deluxe seemed to handle it fine, (don't
 > remember what controller is on that board), but after looking this
 > thread over I did some searching into a number of forums and you and
 > the other guys are right on target. It seems some of the controllers
 > will not allow installation of a SATA drive without an F6 call for
 > specific drivers. In any event, it sounds like Martin got it all
 > installed following yours and others good advice so that is a good
 > thing. Thanks for the follow up post.
 >
 > Regards,
 >
 > Ender
 > ____
 > [____]
 > (OIIIIIIO)
 > [] []<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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