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Howard Goldstein

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:57 pm
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:41 pm
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"~misfit~" <misfit61nz.RemoveThis@yahooligans.co.nz> wrote in message
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> Somewhere on the interweb "Howard Goldstein" typed:
>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:00:54 +1300, ~misfit~
>> <misfit61nz.RemoveThis@yahooligans.co.nz> wrote:
>> > Somewhere on the interweb "Sjouke Burry" typed:
>> > > Amir Facade wrote:
>> > > > Top posting always seemed more logical to me.
>> > > > Why should I have to scroll down through all the stuff I already
>> > > > read in the last 20 posts.
>> > > >
>> > > > Amir
>> > > Translation:Amir cares nothing about the responses
>> > > of other people and does not care about mixing up
>> > > said responses in a random order.
>> > > Does that describe a sociopath???
>> > > Or a google groups nitwit?????
>> >
>> > I prefer the term "Googletard". Smile
>>
>> I've become an advocate of top "posting" in _emails_ with someone I
>> have to reply. My wife read through some of the email exchanges that
>> invariably descended into nastiness. She suggested that even though
>> I'm reponding appropriately the recipient is taking it as combative to
>> have the contradictions right there, inline, beneath the quoted bits
>> from the email eliciting the reply. The combativeness is pretty much
>> gone from those email exchanges now.
>>
>> email, not on a netnews froup...
>
> Yes. For sure the placement of text can effect how it's message is
> percieved. In the same way as when you say something in a conversation, if
> you interupt, or speak in an uninteruptable way. It's all part of the
> little intricacies of interpreting "between the lines". The more text
> replaces face-to-face talk the more important this becomes.
>
> Hmm, I see an opportunity to make a few million dollars here. Collaborate
> with a (mercenary) psychologist and write a book on how to be successful
> by "correctly" composing email responses. Then market it to business
> folks.
>
> I find that, in newsgroups, people tend to be quicker to take offence
> (than in email). Bottom posting is, in a way, submissive and less likely
> IME to trigger a flame war. In email, (which I mainly use between friends
> and family) I find it easier to top-post (or inter-post) for a couple
> reasons; They know what they wrote so don't need it in context (except
> when I want to address a particular statement). The other main reason is
> there is less chance of causing offence with a person that you already
> know fairly well. You have history that any momentary misunderstanding of
> meaning can fall back on.
>
> Yeah, there's a possible fortune in this stuff. Or at the least a good
> psychology paper/thesis. <g>
> --
> TTFN
>
> Shaun.
>
OK, OK,

My comment on top posting wasn't meant to be the beginning of a flame war.
Here's my point:

If you are following a thread in a particular group, than you have already
seen all of the other responses. (At least in Outlook Express, which is what
I use.)
It just seems more efficient to me to be able to see the next response at
the top of the message when I click on it instead of having to scroll down
to the bottom to see the next response, click on the next message and scroll
to the bottom, click on the next message and scroll to the bottom, etc.
When I post to the top, all you have to do is click on the next message and
read the response.
I'm not alone in this feeling and some of the other posters to this group,
who I greatly respect over the years have been habitual top posters for the
same reason.

Sorry for the rant, just my $0.02.

Amir

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Neil5

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:55 pm
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"Amir Facade" <amirfacade DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>... If you are following a thread in a particular group, than you have
>already seen all of the other responses. (At least in Outlook Express,
>which is what I use.)
> It just seems more efficient to me to be able to see the next response at
> the top of the message when I click on it instead of having to scroll down
> to the bottom to see the next response, click on the next message and
> scroll to the bottom, click on the next message and scroll to the bottom,
> etc.
> When I post to the top, all you have to do is click on the next message
> and read the response.
>...

I believe the answer is for bottom-posters to put a bit of effort into the
top part of the message and leave in only the genuinely relevant material.
That way there is hardly any scrolling involved.

Neil
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Phil Weldon

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:30 am
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'Neil' wrote, in part:
| I believe the answer is for bottom-posters to put a bit of effort into the
| top part of the message and leave in only the genuinely relevant material.
_____

Exactly. Barring the few posts that aren't worth the extra effort (the
original post for this thread, for example.)

Phil Weldon

"Neil" <neil.RemoveThis@chapellane69.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
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| "Amir Facade" <amirfacade.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
| news:kv6dnXHFyZxl44_anZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@rcn.net...
| >... If you are following a thread in a particular group, than you have
| >already seen all of the other responses. (At least in Outlook Express,
| >which is what I use.)
| > It just seems more efficient to me to be able to see the next response
at
| > the top of the message when I click on it instead of having to scroll
down
| > to the bottom to see the next response, click on the next message and
| > scroll to the bottom, click on the next message and scroll to the
bottom,
| > etc.
| > When I post to the top, all you have to do is click on the next message
| > and read the response.
| >...
|
| I believe the answer is for bottom-posters to put a bit of effort into the
| top part of the message and leave in only the genuinely relevant material.
| That way there is hardly any scrolling involved.
|
| Neil
|
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Phil Weldon

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:32 am
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'DaveW' wrote:
| If you drop the voltage to the CPU you may fry it because it will try to
| draw more current in order to run itself, and, then, toast. NOT a good
| idea.
_____

The lower the voltage, the LOWER the power drawn, the LOWER the heat
dissipated and the LOWER the stress on the CPU. Not to mention that once
you drop the CPU core voltage too low, it just will not operate until you
restore the core voltage to something nearer the Intel specified voltage.

It would be a GOOD idea for you to do some investigation BEFORE posting
another of your howlers. On the other hand, if your posts are meant to be
funny, keep up the good work!

Phil Weldon

"DaveW" <nothing.DeleteThis@bot.org> wrote in message
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| If you drop the voltage to the CPU you may fry it because it will try to
| draw more current in order to run itself, and, then, toast. NOT a good
| idea.
|
| --
| ---------------------
| DaveW
|
| ---------------------
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Paul Atreides

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:34 pm
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In article <1M-dnYuLBOtgOZfanZ2dnUVZ_rCtnZ2d.RemoveThis@comcast.com>,
nothing.RemoveThis@bot.org says...
> If you drop the voltage to the CPU you may fry it because it will try to
> draw more current in order to run itself, and, then, toast. NOT a good
> idea.
>
>
BS.

C2D 6420 stable at 300 x 8 and 1.06 volts. Cooler than ever.

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:04 am
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"Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed DeleteThis @example.com> wrote in message
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> 'DaveW' wrote:
> | If you drop the voltage to the CPU you may fry it because it will try to
> | draw more current in order to run itself, and, then, toast. NOT a good
> | idea.
> _____
>
> The lower the voltage, the LOWER the power drawn, the LOWER the heat
> dissipated and the LOWER the stress on the CPU. Not to mention that once
> you drop the CPU core voltage too low, it just will not operate until you
> restore the core voltage to something nearer the Intel specified voltage.
>
> It would be a GOOD idea for you to do some investigation BEFORE posting
> another of your howlers. On the other hand, if your posts are meant to be
> funny, keep up the good work!
>
> Phil Weldon
>
I love his posts, but I am really afraid that he is serious...... I
sometimes wonder if he spends his entire day, every day, formatting and
reinstalling his OS.......Smile


Ed Medlin
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Green Xenon [Radium]

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:36 pm
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Phil Weldon wrote:

> The lower the voltage, the LOWER the power drawn, the LOWER the heat
> dissipated and the LOWER the stress on the CPU. Not to mention that once
> you drop the CPU core voltage too low, it just will not operate until you
> restore the core voltage to something nearer the Intel specified voltage.
>
> It would be a GOOD idea for you to do some investigation BEFORE posting
> another of your howlers. On the other hand, if your posts are meant to be
> funny, keep up the good work!

My goal is to use the minimum voltage required but the maximum frequency
possible. Say 600 PetaHz. Now thats around the frequency of green light.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:47 am
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'Green Xenon [Radium]' wrote:
| My goal is to use the minimum voltage required but the maximum frequency
| possible. Say 600 PetaHz. Now thats around the frequency of green light.
_____

You need to do some investigation before trying to making entertaining
posts; 600 PetaHertz is in the middle of the soft X-Ray range, and implies a
CPU temperature in excess of 14,000,000 K. A clock rate of the same
frequency as green light (say 600 nm wavelength, or 0.6 PetaHertz) implies a
much lower CPU temperature; a lower bound of, say, 28,000 K.

Phil Weldon

"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1 RemoveThis @excite.com> wrote in message
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| Phil Weldon wrote:
|
| > The lower the voltage, the LOWER the power drawn, the LOWER the heat
| > dissipated and the LOWER the stress on the CPU. Not to mention that
once
| > you drop the CPU core voltage too low, it just will not operate until
you
| > restore the core voltage to something nearer the Intel specified
voltage.
| >
| > It would be a GOOD idea for you to do some investigation BEFORE posting
| > another of your howlers. On the other hand, if your posts are meant to
be
| > funny, keep up the good work!
|
| My goal is to use the minimum voltage required but the maximum frequency
| possible. Say 600 PetaHz. Now thats around the frequency of green light.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:29 pm
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Phil Weldon wrote:
> 'Green Xenon [Radium]' wrote:
> | My goal is to use the minimum voltage required but the maximum frequency
> | possible. Say 600 PetaHz. Now thats around the frequency of green light.


> You need to do some investigation before trying to making entertaining
> posts; 600 PetaHertz is in the middle of the soft X-Ray range, and implies a
> CPU temperature in excess of 14,000,000 K. A clock rate of the same
> frequency as green light (say 600 nm wavelength, or 0.6 PetaHertz) implies a
> much lower CPU temperature; a lower bound of, say, 28,000 K.

Please forgive my fatal mistake. I meant 0.6 PetaHz, not 600.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:27 pm
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'Green Xenon [Radium]' wrote:
| Please forgive my fatal mistake. I meant 0.6 PetaHz, not 600.
_____

That's a mere typo, though it is enough to change the CPU lower bound
temperature from that of a thermonuclear explosion to that of a plasma
torch. Your fatal mistake is to assume cleverness can spring from nothing.

Phil Weldon

"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1.DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote in message
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| Phil Weldon wrote:
| > 'Green Xenon [Radium]' wrote:
| > | My goal is to use the minimum voltage required but the maximum
frequency
| > | possible. Say 600 PetaHz. Now thats around the frequency of green
light.
|
|
| > You need to do some investigation before trying to making entertaining
| > posts; 600 PetaHertz is in the middle of the soft X-Ray range, and
implies a
| > CPU temperature in excess of 14,000,000 K. A clock rate of the same
| > frequency as green light (say 600 nm wavelength, or 0.6 PetaHertz)
implies a
| > much lower CPU temperature; a lower bound of, say, 28,000 K.
|
| Please forgive my fatal mistake. I meant 0.6 PetaHz, not 600.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:27 pm
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Phil Weldon wrote:

> 'Green Xenon [Radium]' wrote:
> | Please forgive my fatal mistake. I meant 0.6 PetaHz, not 600.
> _____


> That's a mere typo, though it is enough to change the CPU lower bound
> temperature from that of a thermonuclear explosion to that of a plasma
> torch. Your fatal mistake is to assume cleverness can spring from nothing.

What is the max clock-rate physically-possible without resulting in
temperatures dangerous to the equipment?
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:08 pm
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'Green Xeon [Radium]' wrote:
| What is the max clock-rate physically-possible without resulting in
| temperatures dangerous to the equipment?
_____

Well, that would depend on the equipment, wouldn't it? The twenty question
approach just won't do it, and you don't even play the game well.

Phil Weldon

"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1.TakeThisOut@excite.com> wrote in message
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| Phil Weldon wrote:
|
| > 'Green Xenon [Radium]' wrote:
| > | Please forgive my fatal mistake. I meant 0.6 PetaHz, not 600.
| > _____
|
|
| > That's a mere typo, though it is enough to change the CPU lower bound
| > temperature from that of a thermonuclear explosion to that of a plasma
| > torch. Your fatal mistake is to assume cleverness can spring from
nothing.
|
| What is the max clock-rate physically-possible without resulting in
| temperatures dangerous to the equipment?
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:27 pm
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Phil Weldon wrote:
> 'Green Xenon [Radium]' wrote:
> | My goal is to use the minimum voltage required but the maximum frequency
> | possible. Say 600 PetaHz. Now thats around the frequency of green light.
> _____
>
> You need to do some investigation before trying to making entertaining
> posts; 600 PetaHertz is in the middle of the soft X-Ray range, and implies a
> CPU temperature in excess of 14,000,000 K. A clock rate of the same
> frequency as green light (say 600 nm wavelength, or 0.6 PetaHertz) implies a
> much lower CPU temperature; a lower bound of, say, 28,000 K.
>
Radium is still merrily trolling away.
A master in asking stupid things to get your goat.
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