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Since: Jan 30, 2004 Posts: 23
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 5:31 am
Post subject: gotta be a short...right? Archived from groups: alt>comp>periphs>mainboard>soyo (more info?)
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I'll try to be concise, but it's not a simple problem.
System: Soyo Dragon + w/AMD 1800
GeForce 4 Ti4600
M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Logitec Z680 speakers
Soyo PCI USB 2.0 card (4 internal ports)
USB 2.0 Flash card reader w/2 external USB 2 ports
Crystal Fontz 634 LCD connected to Comm 1
Unibrain Fireboard Red 1394 Card
Front X front panel connector w/headset, mic and line in, Firewire, and
gameport connections
Realtek 10/100 LAN
Cyberpower 825AV UPS
Problem:
Speakers will frequently (and suddenly) become loud and very distorted
regardless of the application (Winamp, Quicken, Windows event sounds, etc).
Occasionally, computer will reboot. It seems as though it often occurs when
you physically touch the computer, or something connected to it (like the
mouse).
I RMA'd the audio card, and the new one does exactly the same thing. I have
changed PCI slots. I have checked the motherboard and can find no evidence
of bad capacitors (bulged, discolored). All voltages are w/i 5% of nominal.
Temps are ok (system 32C, CPU never exceeds 48C under load). I have switched
from a USB to PS2 mouse (because touching the mouse seems to frequently
cause the event).
I have connected the speakers to the onboard sound, but since I long ago
discarded the additional connector for 5.1 sound, I was only using
left/right channels. I did not get the distortion, but I still got the
random reboots.
I have checked all the speaker connections.
Switching off the power amp and turning it back on does not clear the
problem. Turning off the speaker control box does not clear it. Restarting
the computer does.
I think that I have a short to ground somewhere in the system, or static
discharge is a possibility- but I don't really know. The computer is in a
Lian Li aluminum case. I have pushed, pulled, and shaken every component and
wire in the box, and can't force it duplicate the problem.
By frequently, I mean I can't make it more than 30 minutes without having to
restart the machine. If it reboots by itself, it often restarts with the
speaker problem already in effect.
Any ideas on how to track this thing down?
Thanx,
Fitz
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Since: Nov 05, 2003 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 7:30 pm
Post subject: Re: gotta be a short...right? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Try taking out the USB and firewire cards. See if there are any more reboots
with the sound card in. Lots of people have had problems with pci USB cards.
Good Luck!
BB
"Fitz" <akfitz.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vsjl8drkft649c@corp.supernews.com...
> I'll try to be concise, but it's not a simple problem.
>
> System: Soyo Dragon + w/AMD 1800
> GeForce 4 Ti4600
> M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Logitec Z680 speakers
> Soyo PCI USB 2.0 card (4 internal ports)
> USB 2.0 Flash card reader w/2 external USB 2 ports
> Crystal Fontz 634 LCD connected to Comm 1
> Unibrain Fireboard Red 1394 Card
> Front X front panel connector w/headset, mic and line in, Firewire, and
> gameport connections
> Realtek 10/100 LAN
> Cyberpower 825AV UPS
>
> Problem:
> Speakers will frequently (and suddenly) become loud and very distorted
> regardless of the application (Winamp, Quicken, Windows event sounds,
etc).
> Occasionally, computer will reboot. It seems as though it often occurs
when
> you physically touch the computer, or something connected to it (like the
> mouse).
>
> I RMA'd the audio card, and the new one does exactly the same thing. I
have
> changed PCI slots. I have checked the motherboard and can find no evidence
> of bad capacitors (bulged, discolored). All voltages are w/i 5% of
nominal.
> Temps are ok (system 32C, CPU never exceeds 48C under load). I have
switched
> from a USB to PS2 mouse (because touching the mouse seems to frequently
> cause the event).
>
> I have connected the speakers to the onboard sound, but since I long ago
> discarded the additional connector for 5.1 sound, I was only using
> left/right channels. I did not get the distortion, but I still got the
> random reboots.
>
> I have checked all the speaker connections.
>
> Switching off the power amp and turning it back on does not clear the
> problem. Turning off the speaker control box does not clear it. Restarting
> the computer does.
>
> I think that I have a short to ground somewhere in the system, or static
> discharge is a possibility- but I don't really know. The computer is in a
> Lian Li aluminum case. I have pushed, pulled, and shaken every component
and
> wire in the box, and can't force it duplicate the problem.
>
> By frequently, I mean I can't make it more than 30 minutes without having
to
> restart the machine. If it reboots by itself, it often restarts with the
> speaker problem already in effect.
>
> Any ideas on how to track this thing down?
>
> Thanx,
> Fitz
>
>
> --
> Outgoing mail scanned with NAV and
> determined to be virus free
>
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Since: Jul 02, 2003 Posts: 82
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 12:59 pm
Post subject: Re: gotta be a short...right? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:30:34 -0500, "Billy_Bat"
<billy_bat RemoveThis @really_hotmail.com> wrote:
>Try taking out the USB and firewire cards. See if there are any more reboots
>with the sound card in. Lots of people have had problems with pci USB cards.
>Good Luck!
>BB
I'd go further. I'd yank everything not needed for a basic functional
PC. I'd leave in the video card, HD, maybe the optical drive. If the
problem's still there, you've just eliminated a lot of possibles. If
it goes away....
Then of course you add one component at a time (prob. starting with
the sound card).
--
-denny-
Some people are offence kleptomaniacs -- whenever they see
an offence that isn't nailed down, they take it
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Since: Jul 20, 2003 Posts: 25
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 3:09 pm
Post subject: Re: gotta be a short...right? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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what size and brand power supply ?
"Fitz" <akfitz.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vsjl8drkft649c@corp.supernews.com...
> I'll try to be concise, but it's not a simple problem.
>
> System: Soyo Dragon + w/AMD 1800
> GeForce 4 Ti4600
> M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Logitec Z680 speakers
> Soyo PCI USB 2.0 card (4 internal ports)
> USB 2.0 Flash card reader w/2 external USB 2 ports
> Crystal Fontz 634 LCD connected to Comm 1
> Unibrain Fireboard Red 1394 Card
> Front X front panel connector w/headset, mic and line in, Firewire, and
> gameport connections
> Realtek 10/100 LAN
> Cyberpower 825AV UPS
>
> Problem:
> Speakers will frequently (and suddenly) become loud and very distorted
> regardless of the application (Winamp, Quicken, Windows event sounds,
etc).
> Occasionally, computer will reboot. It seems as though it often occurs
when
> you physically touch the computer, or something connected to it (like the
> mouse).
>
> I RMA'd the audio card, and the new one does exactly the same thing. I
have
> changed PCI slots. I have checked the motherboard and can find no evidence
> of bad capacitors (bulged, discolored). All voltages are w/i 5% of
nominal.
> Temps are ok (system 32C, CPU never exceeds 48C under load). I have
switched
> from a USB to PS2 mouse (because touching the mouse seems to frequently
> cause the event).
>
> I have connected the speakers to the onboard sound, but since I long ago
> discarded the additional connector for 5.1 sound, I was only using
> left/right channels. I did not get the distortion, but I still got the
> random reboots.
>
> I have checked all the speaker connections.
>
> Switching off the power amp and turning it back on does not clear the
> problem. Turning off the speaker control box does not clear it. Restarting
> the computer does.
>
> I think that I have a short to ground somewhere in the system, or static
> discharge is a possibility- but I don't really know. The computer is in a
> Lian Li aluminum case. I have pushed, pulled, and shaken every component
and
> wire in the box, and can't force it duplicate the problem.
>
> By frequently, I mean I can't make it more than 30 minutes without having
to
> restart the machine. If it reboots by itself, it often restarts with the
> speaker problem already in effect.
>
> Any ideas on how to track this thing down?
>
> Thanx,
> Fitz
>
>
> --
> Outgoing mail scanned with NAV and
> determined to be virus free
>
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Since: Feb 25, 2004 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 3:39 pm
Post subject: Re: gotta be a short...right? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Fitz wrote:
| I'll try to be concise, but it's not a simple problem.
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| System: Soyo Dragon + w/AMD 1800
| GeForce 4 Ti4600
| M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Logitec Z680 speakers
| Soyo PCI USB 2.0 card (4 internal ports)
| USB 2.0 Flash card reader w/2 external USB 2 ports
| Crystal Fontz 634 LCD connected to Comm 1
| Unibrain Fireboard Red 1394 Card
| Front X front panel connector w/headset, mic and line in, Firewire,
| and gameport connections
| Realtek 10/100 LAN
| Cyberpower 825AV UPS
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| Problem:
| Speakers will frequently (and suddenly) become loud and very distorted
| regardless of the application (Winamp, Quicken, Windows event sounds,
| etc). Occasionally, computer will reboot. It seems as though it often
| occurs when you physically touch the computer, or something connected
| to it (like the mouse).
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| I RMA'd the audio card, and the new one does exactly the same thing.
| I have changed PCI slots. I have checked the motherboard and can find
| no evidence of bad capacitors (bulged, discolored). All voltages are
| w/i 5% of nominal. Temps are ok (system 32C, CPU never exceeds 48C
| under load). I have switched from a USB to PS2 mouse (because
| touching the mouse seems to frequently cause the event).
|
| I have connected the speakers to the onboard sound, but since I long
| ago discarded the additional connector for 5.1 sound, I was only using
| left/right channels. I did not get the distortion, but I still got the
| random reboots.
|
| I have checked all the speaker connections.
|
| Switching off the power amp and turning it back on does not clear the
| problem. Turning off the speaker control box does not clear it.
| Restarting the computer does.
|
| I think that I have a short to ground somewhere in the system, or
| static discharge is a possibility- but I don't really know. The
| computer is in a Lian Li aluminum case. I have pushed, pulled, and
| shaken every component and wire in the box, and can't force it
| duplicate the problem.
|
| By frequently, I mean I can't make it more than 30 minutes without
| having to restart the machine. If it reboots by itself, it often
| restarts with the speaker problem already in effect.
|
| Any ideas on how to track this thing down?
|
| Thanx,
| Fitz
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Since: Nov 05, 2003 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:06 pm
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"Denny Wheeler" <dennyw DeleteThis @TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote in message
news:9fplsv4stb5bv8tes0eambhvtkm89vlmjt@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:30:34 -0500, "Billy_Bat"
> <billy_bat DeleteThis @really_hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >Try taking out the USB and firewire cards. See if there are any more
reboots
> >with the sound card in. Lots of people have had problems with pci USB
cards.
> >Good Luck!
> >BB
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> I'd go further. I'd yank everything not needed for a basic functional
> PC. I'd leave in the video card, HD, maybe the optical drive. If the
> problem's still there, you've just eliminated a lot of possibles. If
> it goes away....
> Then of course you add one component at a time (prob. starting with
> the sound card).
>
> --
> -denny-
>
> Some people are offence kleptomaniacs -- whenever they see
> an offence that isn't nailed down, they take it
> --David C. Pugh, in alt.callahans
Right, Denny... If I have to open the case, I always take it all out, then
go from there. Minor brain fade.
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Since: Mar 30, 2004 Posts: 100
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:54 pm
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"Bishoop" <none.RemoveThis@none.net> wrote in message news:<Qq2dnX513ZQo4VaiU-KYiQ.RemoveThis@giganews.com>...
> Fitz wrote:
> | I'll try to be concise, but it's not a simple problem.
> |
> | System: Soyo Dragon + w/AMD 1800
> | GeForce 4 Ti4600
> | M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Logitec Z680 speakers
> | Soyo PCI USB 2.0 card (4 internal ports)
> | USB 2.0 Flash card reader w/2 external USB 2 ports
> | Crystal Fontz 634 LCD connected to Comm 1
> | Unibrain Fireboard Red 1394 Card
> | Front X front panel connector w/headset, mic and line in, Firewire,
> | and gameport connections
> | Realtek 10/100 LAN
> | Cyberpower 825AV UPS
> |
> | Problem:
> | Speakers will frequently (and suddenly) become loud and very distorted
> | regardless of the application (Winamp, Quicken, Windows event sounds,
> | etc). Occasionally, computer will reboot. It seems as though it often
> | occurs when you physically touch the computer, or something connected
> | to it (like the mouse).
> |
> | I RMA'd the audio card, and the new one does exactly the same thing.
> | I have changed PCI slots. I have checked the motherboard and can find
> | no evidence of bad capacitors (bulged, discolored). All voltages are
> | w/i 5% of nominal. Temps are ok (system 32C, CPU never exceeds 48C
> | under load). I have switched from a USB to PS2 mouse (because
> | touching the mouse seems to frequently cause the event).
> |
> | I have connected the speakers to the onboard sound, but since I long
> | ago discarded the additional connector for 5.1 sound, I was only using
> | left/right channels. I did not get the distortion, but I still got the
> | random reboots.
> |
> | I have checked all the speaker connections.
> |
> | Switching off the power amp and turning it back on does not clear the
> | problem. Turning off the speaker control box does not clear it.
> | Restarting the computer does.
> |
> | I think that I have a short to ground somewhere in the system, or
> | static discharge is a possibility- but I don't really know. The
> | computer is in a Lian Li aluminum case. I have pushed, pulled, and
> | shaken every component and wire in the box, and can't force it
> | duplicate the problem.
> |
> | By frequently, I mean I can't make it more than 30 minutes without
> | having to restart the machine. If it reboots by itself, it often
> | restarts with the speaker problem already in effect.
> |
> | Any ideas on how to track this thing down?
> |
> | Thanx,
> | Fitz
>
> Have you tried the obvious, different speakers?
One more thing here to look at, there was never any information given
on the memory. As in how much and brand plus type. Random reboots are
a good sign of memory problems. Soyo motherboards have always been
very fussy about the quality of memory, I would say download a copy of
Memtest run it and see if there is any problems with the memory. Also
if it is some no name brand, I would say go out and buy some quality
memory like Corsair XMS or Muskin.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: gotta be a short...right? |
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Since: Jan 30, 2004 Posts: 23
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:31 pm
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It was memory...or at least the DIMM 3 slot. Although I found the problem, I
wasn't able to correct it. At least 2 of the pins that make contact with the
RAM stick where laying at the bottom of the slot instead of attached to it.
The RAM was toast. I left the slot empty, hoping it would bypass the
problem. Wrong....snap, crackle, pop...smoke and the unpleasant smell of
burning plastic.
Oh look, it's Christmas....time to ask Santa for some new componets!
Thanx,
Fitz >> Stay informed about: gotta be a short...right? |
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