Different graphics cards for my P4PE

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"Lars-Erik Østerud" <.@.> wrote in message
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  > > HL2, outside train station, overlooking the plaza, I get around 30FPS
with
  > > the two 6x00 cards (can't remember the FX5200, but it wasn't
unplayable). In
 >
 > What resolution are you using? I mainly use 800x600 (yep, that's low,
 > but then my monitor gives 85hz), and only need a card that can hold 85
 > fps with 4x AA in 800x600 (most cards are tested at 1024x768 now).

Resolution is 1280x1024@60hz, due to LCD monitor. All settings are high, no
AA, triliniar filtering, reflect world.

 > Will a 6600GT card keep up with 85fps at 800x600 w/4x AA in HL2?

Don't know. Tried dropping resolution to 1024x768, but that didn't seem to
make much of a difference.

 > Will a cheaper card do this as well? Does the P4PE slow down the card
 > beacuse of the missing AGP 8x support (the P4PE is only 4x right)?

Yes, the P4PE has AGP 4x, but not sure if there is much of a difference
between 4x and 8x. As I said, as long as I run benchmarks that tax the GPU,
everything seems ok, but in games, where the whole system is testet, things
are not so great. So far, I haven't found a solution for this. However, if
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"Lars-Erik Østerud" <.@.> wrote in message
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 > Is there a comparison chart between Nvidia cards?
 >
 > My old 4200 card scores 1600 on 3dMark 03, and I see others get over
 > 6000 with new 6800 cards, but what about the other cards in between?
 >
 > After all it's a question about price vs power. I need a bit stronger
 > card (today I get full speed at old games with 2x AA, but HL2 won't
 > run faster than 42 fps w/o AA, what do I need to get 85 fps 4x AA?)
 >
 > BTW: Will all new cards work OK with my Asus P4PE board, or is there
 > AGP limitations that will slow down the card on the P4PE (AGP speed)

Why do you want 85fps? The human eye is incapable of distinguishing anything
higher than 60, and 40 is plenty smooth enough. It really depends on the
rest of your system - cpu ram etc. The 6600GT is a good midrange card but it
wont get you your pointless 85fps! will be playable though


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"Iain Dingsdale" <iaindingsdale.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > "Lars-Erik Østerud" <.@.> wrote in message
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  >> Is there a comparison chart between Nvidia cards?
  >>
  >> My old 4200 card scores 1600 on 3dMark 03, and I see others get over
  >> 6000 with new 6800 cards, but what about the other cards in between?
  >>
  >> After all it's a question about price vs power. I need a bit stronger
  >> card (today I get full speed at old games with 2x AA, but HL2 won't
  >> run faster than 42 fps w/o AA, what do I need to get 85 fps 4x AA?)
  >>
  >> BTW: Will all new cards work OK with my Asus P4PE board, or is there
  >> AGP limitations that will slow down the card on the P4PE (AGP speed)
 >
 > Why do you want 85fps? The human eye is incapable of distinguishing
 > anything higher than 60, and 40 is plenty smooth enough. It really depends
 > on the rest of your system - cpu ram etc. The 6600GT is a good midrange
 > card but it wont get you your pointless 85fps! will be playable though

I've just benchmarked my system at the settings you seem to want

"Resolution: 800×600
Demo: HardwareOC - Coast
Detail: Maximum quality
Antialising mode: 8×
Filtering mode: From System
Hardware DirectX level: DirectX 9
Heapsize: 64 MB - default
Score = 68.8 FPS"

2 points - 68.8 is enough, thats not skipping once, not a single frame
dropped
Secondly, it looks crap. I play it on 1280x1024 with full details, full AA
and AF and it looks superb, i get about 45fps like this and its as smooth as
possible, again no frames dropped at all. Run at the highest resolution you
can, if you have enough headroom afterwards then crank up the AA and AF -
not the other way round. You ideally dont want to drop below 30fps.

My specs:
Athlon 64 3400+ at 2.7Ghz
1gb PC3200 RAM
SATA hard drive
Leadtek 6800GT @ ultra speeds

So forget 85fps - figures like that are for bragging rights only, and forget
800x600.

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"Lars-Erik Østerud" <.@.> wrote in message
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 > Iain Dingsdale skrev:
 >
  >> Why do you want 85fps? The human eye is incapable of distinguishing
  >> anything
  >> higher than 60, and 40 is plenty smooth enough. It really depends on the
 >
 > Are you sure. I have tested a simple thing. Stading in the middle of
 > the room and turning fast round i Half-Life. Looks smooth and good on
 > 85hz, didn't look good at all in 60hz. Of course I use VSYNC so the
 > FPS rate reflects the monitor refresh (else I get image tearing).
 >
 > Also I tested a LCD-monitor. Yuck! Did look smooth at all, jerky!

If it looks jerky, there is no way its actually giving a constant 60fps.
1/60th of a second is a tiny amount of time. At the end of the day, even if
it is noticeable in some tests, it wont be in gaming. I play doom 3 at
1280x1024, ultra high detail, full AA etc and get 45ish fps. This looks more
than fluid enough and in a gameplay situation this looks as smooth as the
80ish fps i get with lower detail and res. I know what i'd rather have,
considering it doesnt stutter at 45fps.
Its all about getting constant framerates. 85 fps is all well and good, but
if it drops to 5 during heavy action then its pointless. Movies are 24fps
and no one complains about them looking jerky!


 >
  >> rest of your system - cpu ram etc. The 6600GT is a good midrange card but
  >> it
  >> wont get you your pointless 85fps! will be playable though
 >
 > My Ti4200 today gives me 85hz ALWAYS - Except in HL2 (get 42 and 24
 > sometimes there, and I can't use AA). I play at 800x600@85hz. In all
 > other games I can use Quincunx AA as well and still get >85 FPS.
 >
 > I have looked at the 6600GT cards. They got to be better that 4200



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"Lars-Erik Østerud" <.@.> wrote in message
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 > Iain Dingsdale skrev:
 >
  >> If it looks jerky, there is no way its actually giving a constant 60fps.
 >
 > Might be the LCD screens poor refresh. Anyway. 60hz on a CRT monitor
 > is awful because of the flickering from the monitor. And to have a
 > good picture without image tearing you need VSYNC. So then with a max
 > of 85hz on my CRT monitor games would lock at 85 or 42.5 FPS, and
 > since 42.5 is too low I need 85. Not much way round that really
 >
  >> 1280x1024, ultra high detail, full AA etc and get 45ish fps. This looks
  >> more
  >> than fluid enough and in a gameplay situation this looks as smooth as the
 >
 > Yes, I agree, Half-Life 2 look good enough at 42FPS (which I get
 > sometimes, most times I do get 85 as well). But then I need to disable
 > AA and some details. So I need a faster card to enable at least 2x AA
 > and still be able to get 85 FPS - or at least a minimum of 42.5 FPS

Hmm thats a good point - i didnt realise anyone was still using CRTs these
days!
What resolution do you use at 85hz? If its 1280x1024, say, then you'll be
able to drop it to 1024x768 and up the refresh to 100hz possibly...

 >
  >> if it drops to 5 during heavy action then its pointless. Movies are 24fps
  >> and no one complains about them looking jerky!
 >
 > But movies have "motion blur" so that is not quite comparable
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Al the newer AGP video cards will run on the P4PE, but since your board is
limited to 4X AGP speeds the newer video cards which run at *X will be
limited to half speed.

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DaveW



"Lars-Erik Østerud" <.@.> wrote in message
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 > Is there a comparison chart between Nvidia cards?
 >
 > My old 4200 card scores 1600 on 3dMark 03, and I see others get over
 > 6000 with new 6800 cards, but what about the other cards in between?
 >
 > After all it's a question about price vs power. I need a bit stronger
 > card (today I get full speed at old games with 2x AA, but HL2 won't
 > run faster than 42 fps w/o AA, what do I need to get 85 fps 4x AA?)
 >
 > BTW: Will all new cards work OK with my Asus P4PE board, or is there
 > AGP limitations that will slow down the card on the P4PE (AGP speed)
 >
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 > So forget 85fps - figures like that are for bragging rights only, and
 > forget 800x600.

It might just be that he fries his eyeballs and gets a headaches running
1024x768 @ 60hz.

Best reason ever to buy an LCD, it is so easy on the vision - save your poor
eyes!

- Michael (Darius)
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"DaveW" <none.TakeThisOut@zero.org> wrote in message
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 > Al the newer AGP video cards will run on the P4PE, but since your board is
 > limited to 4X AGP speeds the newer video cards which run at *X will be
 > limited to half speed.

Thats assuming they saturate the agp 8x bus, which they dont come close to
doing. Performance hit yes, but only a minor one

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 > "Lars-Erik Østerud" <.@.> wrote in message
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  >> Is there a comparison chart between Nvidia cards?
  >>
  >> My old 4200 card scores 1600 on 3dMark 03, and I see others get over
  >> 6000 with new 6800 cards, but what about the other cards in between?
  >>
  >> After all it's a question about price vs power. I need a bit stronger
  >> card (today I get full speed at old games with 2x AA, but HL2 won't
  >> run faster than 42 fps w/o AA, what do I need to get 85 fps 4x AA?)
  >>
  >> BTW: Will all new cards work OK with my Asus P4PE board, or is there
  >> AGP limitations that will slow down the card on the P4PE (AGP speed)
  >>
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