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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:09 pm
Post subject: Re: What do you guys thinkn of the HP Mediasmart home server? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Previously Doug White <gwhite RemoveThis @alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> Keywords:
> In article <4DCVj.260599$pM4.120287@pd7urf1no>, Gumby <gumby RemoveThis @is.cool> wrote:
>>I already have 5 external HDD's but was thinking of getting the HP
>>Mediasmart so I can cetralize all my backup files etc. for my three PC's.
>>Is it worth the $599.99 CAD price for the version that comes with one 500GB
>>HDD? Here's a review of it.
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>>http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/whs_hp.asp
> I considered it, and decided against it. The 1st drive is difficult to
> remove, and if it dies (even if you have a second mirror drive), you are
> screwed because the primary drive is not completely mirrored. I think it
> has configuration data on it that is unique to that drive. I queried HP
> about what happens when Drive 1 fails, and you can't just pop in a new
> one and expect it to work.
Urgh. I would call this a major design flaw and completely unacceptable
in a storage server. Also interesting that none of all the "good
reviews" out there seem to have picked up on thos. Shows the quality
level of these reviews.
> I just bought a READYNAS Duo. Both drives are in removeable trays, and
> the mirroring will protect you if EITHER drive fails. They can even be
> hot swapped. The thermally controlled fan is very quiet, the software
> seems to be solid, and it's cheaper. They have an active support forum,
> and seem to be very responsive.
> I can't speak for the media server stuff on it, I haven't had time to set
> that up. It certainly seems flexible. It also avoids putting more money
> in Microsoft's pocket.
Always good.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:22 pm
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:25 pm
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Previously Michael Cecil <macecil.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 20:53:54 -0500, CJT <abujlehc.RemoveThis@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>Gumby wrote:
>>> Arno Wagner <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in news:68pgrkF2totu8U1
>>> @mid.individual.net:
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>>>>1TB mp3's? Lets see, at 320kbit/sec, that is about 290 days (and
>>>>nights) of music. Should be enopugh for a while 
>>>>
>>>>Arno
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>>> I rip at 256kb/s but I only have about 150GB of mp3's so far. And of course
>>> a 1TB HDD is actually only about 920GB when formatted and you must leave
>>> about 20% free if you ever want to be able to defrag it. Still, it is going
>>> to take me quite a while to fill it up with mp3s.
>>>
>>You wouldn't be able to defrag if you were Linux based.
> Fixed that for you. You're welcome.
And that happens to be wrong. Nice job claiming things without
researching them first.
The ext2 defragger exits, it is just so obscure almost nobody knows
about it, since it is as good as never needed. XFS has a filesystem
optimizer that is run periodically to bring the fragmentation down a
bit. Typically if brings a below 1% fragmentation down to an even
lower value. Same for JFS.
Oh, and BTW, the regular automatic filesystem checks do show the
amount of fragmentation to the user, so people would know about any
relevant fragmentation.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:25 pm
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:26 pm
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:31 pm
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Arno Wagner <me RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote in news:68rbdtF2upm06U1
@mid.individual.net:
> As to the subject matter, I maintain that you cannot reliably
> operate such a server, unless you could also have built, installed
> and configured it yourself. And when you can do that, MS hime
> server is a poor choice. That was not a comment on the hardware.
> In addition, many reviewers are not available of non-MS alternatives
> and have a rather limited understanding of hwat such a server
> could do in terms of reliability and versatility, a state
> of affairs that MS tries keep intact.
>
> Arno
>
As I already said. I did look into building my own and have a link to some
free server software but I have decided to stick wityh just my external USB
HDDs anyway and forget about setting up a server for now. >> Stay informed about: What do you guys thinkn of the HP Mediasmart home server? |
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:31 pm
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Previously Michael Cecil <macecil.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 22:34:40 -0500, CJT <abujlehc.DeleteThis@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>Michael Cecil wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 20:53:54 -0500, CJT <abujlehc.DeleteThis@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gumby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Arno Wagner <me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote in news:68pgrkF2totu8U1
>>>>>@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>1TB mp3's? Lets see, at 320kbit/sec, that is about 290 days (and
>>>>>>nights) of music. Should be enopugh for a while
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Arno
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I rip at 256kb/s but I only have about 150GB of mp3's so far. And of course
>>>>>a 1TB HDD is actually only about 920GB when formatted and you must leave
>>>>>about 20% free if you ever want to be able to defrag it. Still, it is going
>>>>>to take me quite a while to fill it up with mp3s.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You wouldn't be able to defrag if you were Linux based.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed that for you. You're welcome.
>>
>>You "fixed" it wrong, though. You _can_ defrag, but it isn't necessary.
> Hehe, I remember when they said that about NTFS back before they figured
> out how to do it for that file system. Maybe one day when Linux grows up
> it will be popular enough for some company to figure out how to defrag its
> file systems. Don't worry. You can dream. 
You can, you get the fragmentation statistics deisplayed to you
on every filesystem check, and you just see that it is not
necessary for ext2. XFS and JFS recommend doing it from time to
time in the bachground, as they are both enterprise class
filesystems. For a standard desktop or small server you don't
need it there either.
Problem here is that just because MS is did not write a filesystem
that does not need defragmentation under normal operation, you seem to
assume everybody else has this issue. Wrong. This problem has been
solved a long time ago, MS just (again) choose to ignore (or did not
know) the state of the art.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:35 pm
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:37 pm
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:39 pm
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:51 am
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Keywords:
In article <LGhWj.135463$rd2.42754@pd7urf3no>, Gumby <gumby.DeleteThis@is.cool> wrote:
>gwhite@alum.mit.edu (Doug White) wrote in
>news:v8CdnZic7cbWXrXVnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@rcn.net:
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>> I just bought a READYNAS Duo. Both drives are in removeable trays,
>> and the mirroring will protect you if EITHER drive fails. They can
>> even be hot swapped. The thermally controlled fan is very quiet, the
>> software seems to be solid, and it's cheaper. They have an active
>> support forum, and seem to be very responsive.
>
>> Doug White
>>
>
>I see I can buy that one for $399.99 CAD but it only supports two HDDs and
>not four.
>
>http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=29870&vpn=RND2150%
>2D100NAS&manufacture=Netgear
If you want four drives, you need the ReadyNAS NV+. I thought the HP
was only 2 drives, but I looked at it so long ago that I may have been
looking at a different model. The NV+ can be bought in a range of
configurations, including diskless so you can add drives of your
choosing.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:27 am
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:27 am
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:33 pm
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gwhite.DeleteThis@alum.mit.edu (Doug White) wrote in
news:C-udnZrjXvziqrfVnZ2dnUVZ_t_inZ2d@rcn.net:
> If you want four drives, you need the ReadyNAS NV+. I thought the HP
> was only 2 drives, but I looked at it so long ago that I may have been
> looking at a different model. The NV+ can be bought in a range of
> configurations, including diskless so you can add drives of your
> choosing.
>
> Doug White
>
OK, if I do get a home server I will probably go with the Netgear solution.
HP Media Smart only has two versions and both have 4 drive bays. Only
difference that the version that costs $250.00 more has is a second 500GB
HDD. Anyone who buys that version is not thinking right because you can buy
a 500GB HDD for about $80.00 instead of the $250.00 HP is charging. I guess
$170.00 of it is the installation fee. >> Stay informed about: What do you guys thinkn of the HP Mediasmart home server? |
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:13 am
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Previously Gumby <gumby RemoveThis @is.cool> wrote:
> gwhite RemoveThis @alum.mit.edu (Doug White) wrote in
> news:C-udnZrjXvziqrfVnZ2dnUVZ_t_inZ2d@rcn.net:
>> If you want four drives, you need the ReadyNAS NV+. I thought the HP
>> was only 2 drives, but I looked at it so long ago that I may have been
>> looking at a different model. The NV+ can be bought in a range of
>> configurations, including diskless so you can add drives of your
>> choosing.
>>
>> Doug White
>>
> OK, if I do get a home server I will probably go with the Netgear
> solution. HP Media Smart only has two versions and both have 4
> drive bays. Only difference that the version that costs $250.00 more
> has is a second 500GB HDD. Anyone who buys that version is not
> thinking right because you can buy a 500GB HDD for about $80.00
> instead of the $250.00 HP is charging. I guess $170.00 of it is the
> installation fee.
Actually installation is free. The HDD is "HP certified" (by
hand-waving), which makes it a superiour product, that of course
does cost more. Common practice with vendors that think their
name on anything must make it better and expensive....
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