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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:16 pm
Post subject: Two of 3 hard drives, all sectors went back at same time???
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This is too bizarre to believe...I changed motherboards, and had DOS access to all 3 hard drives, all files and folders
were working/accessible. After installing Win2000 from the 4 setup floppies, I couldn't get the password I had set up
to work. So I tried the password programs on Hirens CD. I tried 3 of them with no luck, then after a reboot no longer
had access to two of the three hard drives. I've run a number of programs to check this with the following results:
HDD Regenerator: all sectors bad on the one hard drive I checked
Data Lifeguard diagnostics: Drive 0 is locked, error/status code: 0220
Drive 2: drive not supported, error/status code: 0202. Unable to process
drive selection
Spinrite 6: Drive 0; empty drive, unable to access region
Drive 2; empty drive, unable to access region
Win2000 Recovery console: can't access drive
Lost and Found 1.61: drive read error (1H) on drive C
Master partition sector invalid
Boot sector invalid
testing drive 2....gave wrong size
drive read error (1H) on drive E
Master partition sector invalid
Boot sectore invalid
Testdisk 6.7 for DOS: HDD 80h 16.8 GB (this is correct)
unallocated
Partition structure OK
can't write new MBR code to 1st sector
HDD 81h 4.01 GB (this is correct, and this drive is accessible in DOS)
HDD 82h 74.5 GB (this is correct)
unallocated
WInternals Disk Commander:
Drive 0 17202 MB MBR couldn't repair, partition table problem
sector 0 unreadable
sector 1 unreadable
sector 2 unreadable
etc....
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It makes no sense that two different hard drives (diff. ages also, but not very old) would suffer mechanical anihilation
at the exact same time without some physical trama. I'm not ready to give up yet, too much unbacked up data on these
drives, so can anyone make sense of these test clues I've provided. If they are spotty it's because I've run so many
tests, many times, and didn't write everything down.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Two of 3 hard drives, all sectors went back at same time??? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Sorry, it's "all sectors went BAD at same time"
John
"jbclem" <jbclem1.TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote in message news:cA5Zj.59$bx6.42@newsfe07.lga...
> This is too bizarre to believe...I changed motherboards, and had DOS access to all 3 hard drives, all files and
folders
> were working/accessible. After installing Win2000 from the 4 setup floppies, I couldn't get the password I had set
up
> to work. So I tried the password programs on Hirens CD. I tried 3 of them with no luck, then after a reboot no
longer
> had access to two of the three hard drives. I've run a number of programs to check this with the following results:
>
> HDD Regenerator: all sectors bad on the one hard drive I checked
> Data Lifeguard diagnostics: Drive 0 is locked, error/status code: 0220
> Drive 2: drive not supported, error/status code: 0202. Unable to process
> drive selection
> Spinrite 6: Drive 0; empty drive, unable to access region
> Drive 2; empty drive, unable to access region
> Win2000 Recovery console: can't access drive
> Lost and Found 1.61: drive read error (1H) on drive C
> Master partition sector invalid
> Boot sector invalid
>
> testing drive 2....gave wrong size
> drive read error (1H) on drive E
> Master partition sector invalid
> Boot sectore invalid
>
> Testdisk 6.7 for DOS: HDD 80h 16.8 GB (this is correct)
> unallocated
> Partition structure OK
> can't write new MBR code to 1st sector
> HDD 81h 4.01 GB (this is correct, and this drive is accessible in DOS)
> HDD 82h 74.5 GB (this is correct)
> unallocated
> WInternals Disk Commander:
> Drive 0 17202 MB MBR couldn't repair, partition table problem
> sector 0 unreadable
> sector 1 unreadable
> sector 2 unreadable
> etc....
> ===============================
> It makes no sense that two different hard drives (diff. ages also, but not very old) would suffer mechanical
anihilation
> at the exact same time without some physical trama. I'm not ready to give up yet, too much unbacked up data on these
> drives, so can anyone make sense of these test clues I've provided. If they are spotty it's because I've run so many
> tests, many times, and didn't write everything down.
>
> John
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:38 am
Post subject: Re: Two of 3 hard drives, all sectors went back at same time??? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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jbclem <jbclem1.TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote
> This is too bizarre to believe...
Nope.
> I changed motherboards, and had DOS access to all 3 hard drives, all
> files and folders were working/accessible. After installing Win2000 from
> the 4 setup floppies, I couldn't get the password I had set up to work.
Most likely because either something had died in the hard drive subsystem by
then, or you had killed something in the process of changing the motherboard.
> So I tried the password programs on Hirens CD. I tried 3 of them with no luck,
Because the hard drive subsystem wasnt working.
> then after a reboot no longer had access to two of the three hard drives.
Because the hard drive subsystem wasnt working.
> I've run a number of programs to check this with the following results:
> HDD Regenerator: all sectors bad on the one hard drive I checked
Because the hard drive subsystem wasnt working.
> Data Lifeguard diagnostics: Drive 0 is locked, error/status code: 0220
> Drive 2: drive not supported, error/status code: 0202. Unable to process
> drive selection
Because the hard drive subsystem wasnt working.
> Spinrite 6: Drive 0; empty drive, unable to access region
> Drive 2; empty drive, unable to access region
Because the hard drive subsystem wasnt working.
> Win2000 Recovery console: can't access drive
Because the hard drive subsystem wasnt working.
> Lost and Found 1.61: drive read error (1H) on drive C
> Master partition sector invalid
> Boot sector invalid
> testing drive 2....gave wrong size
> drive read error (1H) on drive E
> Master partition sector invalid
> Boot sectore invalid
Because the hard drive subsystem wasnt working.
> Testdisk 6.7 for DOS: HDD 80h 16.8 GB (this is correct)
> unallocated
> Partition structure OK
> can't write new MBR code to 1st sector
> HDD 81h 4.01 GB (this is correct, and this drive is accessible in DOS)
> HDD 82h 74.5 GB (this is correct)
> unallocated
Because the hard drive subsystem wasnt working.
> WInternals Disk Commander:
> Drive 0 17202 MB MBR couldn't repair, partition table problem
> sector 0 unreadable
> sector 1 unreadable
> sector 2 unreadable
> etc....
Because the hard drive subsystem wasnt working.
> ===============================
> It makes no sense that two different hard drives (diff. ages also, but not very old)
> would suffer mechanical anihilation at the exact same time without some physical trama.
But perfectly reasonable that something in the hard drive subsystem like
the controller stopped working or never did work on that motherboard.
> I'm not ready to give up yet, too much unbacked up data on these
> drives, so can anyone make sense of these test clues I've provided.
See above.
> If they are spotty it's because I've run so many
> tests, many times, and didn't write everything down.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:32 am
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:08 am
Post subject: Re: Two of 3 hard drives, all sectors went back at same time??? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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The answer is this: both hard drives are locked, and I don't know how that happened but have confirmed it with two
different programs. The hard part is going to be figuring out how to unlock them.
John
"jbclem" <jbclem1.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote in message news:cA5Zj.59$bx6.42@newsfe07.lga...
> This is too bizarre to believe...I changed motherboards, and had DOS access to all 3 hard drives, all files and
folders
> were working/accessible. After installing Win2000 from the 4 setup floppies, I couldn't get the password I had set
up
> to work. So I tried the password programs on Hirens CD. I tried 3 of them with no luck, then after a reboot no
longer
> had access to two of the three hard drives. I've run a number of programs to check this with the following results:
>
> HDD Regenerator: all sectors bad on the one hard drive I checked
> Data Lifeguard diagnostics: Drive 0 is locked, error/status code: 0220
> Drive 2: drive not supported, error/status code: 0202. Unable to process
> drive selection
> Spinrite 6: Drive 0; empty drive, unable to access region
> Drive 2; empty drive, unable to access region
> Win2000 Recovery console: can't access drive
> Lost and Found 1.61: drive read error (1H) on drive C
> Master partition sector invalid
> Boot sector invalid
>
> testing drive 2....gave wrong size
> drive read error (1H) on drive E
> Master partition sector invalid
> Boot sectore invalid
>
> Testdisk 6.7 for DOS: HDD 80h 16.8 GB (this is correct)
> unallocated
> Partition structure OK
> can't write new MBR code to 1st sector
> HDD 81h 4.01 GB (this is correct, and this drive is accessible in DOS)
> HDD 82h 74.5 GB (this is correct)
> unallocated
> WInternals Disk Commander:
> Drive 0 17202 MB MBR couldn't repair, partition table problem
> sector 0 unreadable
> sector 1 unreadable
> sector 2 unreadable
> etc....
> ===============================
> It makes no sense that two different hard drives (diff. ages also, but not very old) would suffer mechanical
anihilation
> at the exact same time without some physical trama. I'm not ready to give up yet, too much unbacked up data on these
> drives, so can anyone make sense of these test clues I've provided. If they are spotty it's because I've run so many
> tests, many times, and didn't write everything down.
>
> John
>
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Two of 3 hard drives, all sectors went back at same time??? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Two of 3 hard drives, all sectors went back at same time??? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Previously jbclem <jbclem1.RemoveThis@charter.net> wrote:
> This is too bizarre to believe...I changed motherboards, and had DOS access to all 3 hard drives, all files and folders
> were working/accessible. After installing Win2000 from the 4 setup floppies, I couldn't get the password I had set up
> to work. So I tried the password programs on Hirens CD. I tried 3 of them with no luck, then after a reboot no longer
> had access to two of the three hard drives. I've run a number of programs to check this with the following results:
> HDD Regenerator: all sectors bad on the one hard drive I checked
> Data Lifeguard diagnostics: Drive 0 is locked, error/status code: 0220
> Drive 2: drive not supported, error/status code: 0202. Unable to process
> drive selection
> Spinrite 6: Drive 0; empty drive, unable to access region
> Drive 2; empty drive, unable to access region
> Win2000 Recovery console: can't access drive
> Lost and Found 1.61: drive read error (1H) on drive C
> Master partition sector invalid
> Boot sector invalid
> testing drive 2....gave wrong size
> drive read error (1H) on drive E
> Master partition sector invalid
> Boot sectore invalid
> Testdisk 6.7 for DOS: HDD 80h 16.8 GB (this is correct)
> unallocated
> Partition structure OK
> can't write new MBR code to 1st sector
> HDD 81h 4.01 GB (this is correct, and this drive is accessible in DOS)
> HDD 82h 74.5 GB (this is correct)
> unallocated
> WInternals Disk Commander:
> Drive 0 17202 MB MBR couldn't repair, partition table problem
> sector 0 unreadable
> sector 1 unreadable
> sector 2 unreadable
> etc....
> ===============================
> It makes no sense that two different hard drives (diff. ages also, but not very old) would suffer mechanical anihilation
> at the exact same time without some physical trama. I'm not ready to give up yet, too much unbacked up data on these
> drives, so can anyone make sense of these test clues I've provided. If they are spotty it's because I've run so many
> tests, many times, and didn't write everything down.
> John
First, a little formatting would be nice. As to the problem.
if the disks work in DOS, the likely explanation is a
driver problem in w2k or incompatible hardware. Note
that DOS may use a different data transfer mode that w2k.
Additional tests: Try the disks in the old mainboard.
Restrict disk access mode to a low PIO mode in the BIOS.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Two of 3 hard drives, all sectors went back at same time??? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Hard drives that are locked...that means no access of any kind. As I said, in past tense, I "had" access in DOS, then
after installing Win2000 and trying some password programs, I lost all access. Either I figure out how to unlock them,
or find someone who can do it, or sayonara to my data.
Thanks for your suggestions, and I appreciate some of the help from this newsgroup...but it's too annoying to have to
listen to these high school kids who haven't learned how to speak to grownups. I'm looking for some intelligent help on
this matter, I didn't come here to play straight man to some teenage loser.
Later...
"Arno Wagner" <me DeleteThis @privacy.net> wrote in message news:6afs1lF37fni6U2@mid.individual.net...
> Previously jbclem <jbclem1 DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote:
> > This is too bizarre to believe...I changed motherboards, and had DOS access to all 3 hard drives, all files and
folders
> > were working/accessible. After installing Win2000 from the 4 setup floppies, I couldn't get the password I had set
up
> > to work. So I tried the password programs on Hirens CD. I tried 3 of them with no luck, then after a reboot no
longer
> > had access to two of the three hard drives. I've run a number of programs to check this with the following results:
>
> > HDD Regenerator: all sectors bad on the one hard drive I checked
> > Data Lifeguard diagnostics: Drive 0 is locked, error/status code: 0220
> > Drive 2: drive not supported, error/status code: 0202. Unable to
process
> > drive selection
> > Spinrite 6: Drive 0; empty drive, unable to access region
> > Drive 2; empty drive, unable to access region
> > Win2000 Recovery console: can't access drive
> > Lost and Found 1.61: drive read error (1H) on drive C
> > Master partition sector invalid
> > Boot sector invalid
>
> > testing drive 2....gave wrong size
> > drive read error (1H) on drive E
> > Master partition sector invalid
> > Boot sectore invalid
>
> > Testdisk 6.7 for DOS: HDD 80h 16.8 GB (this is correct)
> > unallocated
> > Partition structure OK
> > can't write new MBR code to 1st sector
> > HDD 81h 4.01 GB (this is correct, and this drive is accessible in DOS)
> > HDD 82h 74.5 GB (this is correct)
> > unallocated
> > WInternals Disk Commander:
> > Drive 0 17202 MB MBR couldn't repair, partition table problem
> > sector 0 unreadable
> > sector 1 unreadable
> > sector 2 unreadable
> > etc....
> > ===============================
> > It makes no sense that two different hard drives (diff. ages also, but not very old) would suffer mechanical
anihilation
> > at the exact same time without some physical trama. I'm not ready to give up yet, too much unbacked up data on
these
> > drives, so can anyone make sense of these test clues I've provided. If they are spotty it's because I've run so
many
> > tests, many times, and didn't write everything down.
>
> > John
>
>
> First, a little formatting would be nice. As to the problem.
> if the disks work in DOS, the likely explanation is a
> driver problem in w2k or incompatible hardware. Note
> that DOS may use a different data transfer mode that w2k.
>
> Additional tests: Try the disks in the old mainboard.
> Restrict disk access mode to a low PIO mode in the BIOS.
>
> Arno
> >> Stay informed about: Two of 3 hard drives, all sectors went back at same time??? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:31 pm
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jbclem wrote in news:%yu0k.112$_G7.27@newsfe05.lga
> The answer is this: both hard drives are locked,
Ahh, you finally managed to read your own post.
> and I don't know how that happened
I'll bet that the password programs on the Hirens CD have nothing got to do with it whatsoever.
> but have confirmed it with two different programs.
Then it must be true, no?
> The hard part is going to be figuring out how to unlock them.
Yeah. Good luck. You obviously need it.
>
> John
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> "jbclem" <jbclem1 DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote in message news:cA5Zj.59$bx6.42@newsfe07.lga...
> > This is too bizarre to believe...I changed motherboards, and had DOS access to all 3 hard drives, all files and folders
> > were working/accessible. After installing Win2000 from the 4 setup floppies, I couldn't get the password I had set up
> > to work. So I tried the password programs on Hirens CD. I tried 3 of them with no luck, then after a reboot no longer
> > had access to two of the three hard drives. I've run a number of programs to check this with the following results:
> >
> > HDD Regenerator: all sectors bad on the one hard drive I checked
> > Data Lifeguard diagnostics: Drive 0 is locked, error/status code: 0220
> > Drive 2: drive not supported, error/status code: 0202. Unable to process
> > drive selection
> > Spinrite 6: Drive 0; empty drive, unable to access region
> > Drive 2; empty drive, unable to access region
> > Win2000 Recovery console: can't access drive
> > Lost and Found 1.61: drive read error (1H) on drive C
> > Master partition sector invalid
> > Boot sector invalid
> >
> > testing drive 2....gave wrong size
> > drive read error (1H) on drive E
> > Master partition sector invalid
> > Boot sectore invalid
> >
> > Testdisk 6.7 for DOS: HDD 80h 16.8 GB (this is correct)
> > unallocated
> > Partition structure OK
> > can't write new MBR code to 1st sector
> > HDD 81h 4.01 GB (this is correct, and this drive is accessible in DOS)
> > HDD 82h 74.5 GB (this is correct)
> > unallocated
> > WInternals Disk Commander:
> > Drive 0 17202 MB MBR couldn't repair, partition table problem
> > sector 0 unreadable
> > sector 1 unreadable
> > sector 2 unreadable
> > etc....
> > ===============================
> > It makes no sense that two different hard drives (diff. ages also, but not very old) would suffer mechanical anihilation
> > at the exact same time without some physical trama. I'm not ready to give up yet, too much unbacked up data on these
> > drives, so can anyone make sense of these test clues I've provided. If they are spotty it's because I've run so many
> > tests, many times, and didn't write everything down.
> >
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:54 am
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Previously jbclem <jbclem1.RemoveThis@charter.net> wrote:
> Hard drives that are locked...that means no access of any kind. As
> I said, in past tense, I "had" access in DOS, then after installing
> Win2000 and trying some password programs, I lost all access.
> Either I figure out how to unlock them, or find someone who can do
> it, or sayonara to my data.
I see. So the password you set up would be the ATA device
password feature? What software did you use? There is also the
possibility of a keymap mismatch, i.e. you are typing something
else than you believe you are typing. If there is some other
fields in the password software, use them to make sure you are
typing the correct password.
As to breaking in, it seems some data recovery companies can do that
for some drives. The manufacturers ogviously do not want that a)
because it makes the disk password look insecure b) it allows trading
with stolen and locked disks and c) it prevents the sale of a new
disk when somebody has lost their password.
However, if you actually have the password, there should be better
options than paying a lot of money. Maybe just trying to unlock with
the same software you used to lock on a different computer (locked
disk as second disk) will do the trick.
> Thanks for your suggestions, and I appreciate some of the help from
> this newsgroup...but it's too annoying to have to listen to these
> high school kids who haven't learned how to speak to grownups. I'm
> looking for some intelligent help on this matter, I didn't come here
> to play straight man to some teenage loser.
Unfortunately these are not high school kids, they have been areound
far too long. I suggest you just killfile them, everybody else here
does.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:36 pm
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Arno Wagner wrote in news:6ahqqdF3701bdU1@mid.individual.net
> Previously jbclem <jbclem1.TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote:
> > Hard drives that are locked...that means no access of any kind. As
> > I said, in past tense, I "had" access in DOS, then after installing
> > Win2000 and trying some password programs, I lost all access.
> > Either I figure out how to unlock them, or find someone who can do
> > it, or sayonara to my data.
>
> I see.
No, really.
> So the password you set up would be the ATA device password feature?
Don't bother, babblebot, he doesn't want to hear it.
So Babblebot, what extra in this post made you think of passwords
all of a sudden that you didn't get in your other post, yesterday.
Obviously it can't have been my referral to the password programs on
the Hirens CD because you have me killfiled and don't read my messages.
So please tell us, Babblebot, what caused the remarkable change in your
way of thinking.
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> > Thanks for your suggestions, and I appreciate some of the help from
> > this newsgroup...but it's too annoying to have to listen to these
> > high school kids who haven't learned how to speak to grownups.
> > I'm looking for some intelligent help on this matter,
The problem with that is that you need to be intelligent to understand intelligent help. Something you show no signs of whatsoever.
> > I didn't come here to play straight man to some teenage loser.
You do of course know that todays teenagers are tomorrows wizzkids,
don't you, moron? But then wizzkid is probably your definition of looser.
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> Unfortunately these are not high school kids,
But you are, babblebot?
> they have been areound far too long.
But you have not, babblebot?
Perhaps that would explain your pure genious, being a kid and all.
> I suggest you just killfile them,
> everybody else here does.
Ooh, Babblebot speaking for everyone now.
What makes you think it wasn't you that he referred to, Babblebot?
It was after all your post that he responded to.
Looks more like every expert has Babblebot killfiled though.
More likely they left the newsgroup entirely since no one else
bothers to correct his constant clueless blabbering.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:20 pm
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Arno...Unfortunately, I didn't set up a password on these hard drives. You can see in my original message what
happened, I lost access to two of my three hard drives and it took a week to confirm that the the hard drives were
locked. I've found various passwords to try (for locked Xbox hard drives, for Seagate hard drives, even a Western
Digital one for older models...didn't work on mine), and plenty of people asking the same question as I am. Very few
answers. I wouldn't complain if I had known when I bought the hard drives that this could happen , but it's not
something the manufacturers warn you about. There are a few data recovery companies that claim they can get in and save
the data, but no mention of what they charge and I can't afford much anyway. All of my .doc, .xls, htm, .pdf, etc...
files were backed up to the 3rd hard drive that's still working...but thousands of Firefox bookmarks/favorites and
emails are lost. Why would this third drive be spared this problem, it's older, smaller, and FAT16 vs FAT32, and for
some reason this locking didn't occur on it.
One of the password softwares on Hirens CD is ATAPWD, which I'm using to try different passwords. I'm pretty sure I
didn't invoke a password with it to lock the drives because I was trying to figure out a Win2000 password after mine
stopped working. But I'll try my Win2000 password just in case.
I hadn't thought about blocking these "adult" losers until you mentioned it. I think I was hoping they might say
something of value but this must be their only social contact with people and it seems to be driven by a pathological
immaturity. That combined with a limited vocabulary is a hard combination to take for very long. If only they were
witty! Course, they would have friends to talk to if that were true. There should be regular reminders on this
newsgroup about blocking them out, after a while they'd just be shouting into an empty room, only the psychos would
continue once they realized no one could hear them.
When you say killfile, is that something other than the blocking available in IE6?
John
"Arno Wagner" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message news:6ahqqdF3701bdU1@mid.individual.net...
> Previously jbclem <jbclem1.RemoveThis@charter.net> wrote:
> > Hard drives that are locked...that means no access of any kind. As
> > I said, in past tense, I "had" access in DOS, then after installing
> > Win2000 and trying some password programs, I lost all access.
> > Either I figure out how to unlock them, or find someone who can do
> > it, or sayonara to my data.
>
> I see. So the password you set up would be the ATA device
> password feature? What software did you use? There is also the
> possibility of a keymap mismatch, i.e. you are typing something
> else than you believe you are typing. If there is some other
> fields in the password software, use them to make sure you are
> typing the correct password.
>
> As to breaking in, it seems some data recovery companies can do that
> for some drives. The manufacturers ogviously do not want that a)
> because it makes the disk password look insecure b) it allows trading
> with stolen and locked disks and c) it prevents the sale of a new
> disk when somebody has lost their password.
>
> However, if you actually have the password, there should be better
> options than paying a lot of money. Maybe just trying to unlock with
> the same software you used to lock on a different computer (locked
> disk as second disk) will do the trick.
>
> > Thanks for your suggestions, and I appreciate some of the help from
> > this newsgroup...but it's too annoying to have to listen to these
> > high school kids who haven't learned how to speak to grownups. I'm
> > looking for some intelligent help on this matter, I didn't come here
> > to play straight man to some teenage loser.
>
> Unfortunately these are not high school kids, they have been areound
> far too long. I suggest you just killfile them, everybody else here
> does.
>
> Arno >> Stay informed about: Two of 3 hard drives, all sectors went back at same time??? |
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Previously jbclem <jbclem1 DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote:
> Arno...Unfortunately, I didn't set up a password on these hard
> drives. You can see in my original message what happened, I lost
> access to two of my three hard drives and it took a week to confirm
> that the the hard drives were locked. I've found various passwords
> to try (for locked Xbox hard drives, for Seagate hard drives, even a
> Western Digital one for older models...didn't work on mine), and
> plenty of people asking the same question as I am. Very few
> answers. I wouldn't complain if I had known when I bought the hard
> drives that this could happen , but it's not something the
> manufacturers warn you about.
So you are entirely unclear what software did lock the drives
and when it happened? Is there any striking difference between
the drive that did not get locked and the other ones?
> There are a few data recovery
> companies that claim they can get in and save the data, but no
> mention of what they charge and I can't afford much anyway. All of
> my .doc, .xls, htm, .pdf, etc... files were backed up to the 3rd
> hard drive that's still working...but thousands of Firefox
> bookmarks/favorites and emails are lost. Why would this third drive
> be spared this problem, it's older, smaller, and FAT16 vs FAT32, and
> for some reason this locking didn't occur on it.
Hmm. Maybe the third drive does not support the ATA security
extensions needed for locking? If it is old enough, that
might be a possibility.
> One of the password softwares on Hirens CD is ATAPWD, which I'm
> using to try different passwords. I'm pretty sure I didn't invoke a
> password with it to lock the drives because I was trying to figure
> out a Win2000 password after mine stopped working. But I'll try my
> Win2000 password just in case.
I think the best bet (besides exoensive professional recovery)
is finding out what locked the drive, since that particular
pice of software will have the password.
> I hadn't thought about blocking these "adult" losers until you
> mentioned it. I think I was hoping they might say something of
> value but this must be their only social contact with people and it
> seems to be driven by a pathological immaturity.
On the spot.
> That combined with
> a limited vocabulary is a hard combination to take for very long. If
> only they were witty! Course, they would have friends to talk to if
> that were true. There should be regular reminders on this newsgroup
> about blocking them out, after a while they'd just be shouting into
> an empty room, only the psychos would continue once they realized no
> one could hear them.
There are even some psychos here that occasionally fake posting
as somebody else in order to be heard. Truely pathetic. I can only
conclude that some insane asylums allow their inmates usenet access.
> When you say killfile, is that something other than the blocking
> available in IE6?
A killfile is a traditional newsreader concept that blocks postings
based on author name or subject. I have no idea what IE6 offers,
but my experience with MS is general incompetence when the
Internet is concerned.
Arno
> "Arno Wagner" <me DeleteThis @privacy.net> wrote in message news:6ahqqdF3701bdU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Previously jbclem <jbclem1 DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote:
>> > Hard drives that are locked...that means no access of any kind. As
>> > I said, in past tense, I "had" access in DOS, then after installing
>> > Win2000 and trying some password programs, I lost all access.
>> > Either I figure out how to unlock them, or find someone who can do
>> > it, or sayonara to my data.
>>
>> I see. So the password you set up would be the ATA device
>> password feature? What software did you use? There is also the
>> possibility of a keymap mismatch, i.e. you are typing something
>> else than you believe you are typing. If there is some other
>> fields in the password software, use them to make sure you are
>> typing the correct password.
>>
>> As to breaking in, it seems some data recovery companies can do that
>> for some drives. The manufacturers ogviously do not want that a)
>> because it makes the disk password look insecure b) it allows trading
>> with stolen and locked disks and c) it prevents the sale of a new
>> disk when somebody has lost their password.
>>
>> However, if you actually have the password, there should be better
>> options than paying a lot of money. Maybe just trying to unlock with
>> the same software you used to lock on a different computer (locked
>> disk as second disk) will do the trick.
>>
>> > Thanks for your suggestions, and I appreciate some of the help from
>> > this newsgroup...but it's too annoying to have to listen to these
>> > high school kids who haven't learned how to speak to grownups. I'm
>> > looking for some intelligent help on this matter, I didn't come here
>> > to play straight man to some teenage loser.
>>
>> Unfortunately these are not high school kids, they have been areound
>> far too long. I suggest you just killfile them, everybody else here
>> does.
>>
>> Arno >> Stay informed about: Two of 3 hard drives, all sectors went back at same time??? |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:12 pm
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:20:18 -0700, "jbclem" <jbclem1.TakeThisOut@charter.net> put
finger to keyboard and composed:
>Arno...Unfortunately, I didn't set up a password on these hard drives. You can see in my original message what
>happened, I lost access to two of my three hard drives and it took a week to confirm that the the hard drives were
>locked.
>One of the password softwares on Hirens CD is ATAPWD, which I'm using to try different passwords. I'm pretty sure I
>didn't invoke a password with it to lock the drives because I was trying to figure out a Win2000 password after mine
>stopped working. But I'll try my Win2000 password just in case.
I would issue an ATA Identify Drive command to each of your drives,
capture their 512 byte responses, and analyse words 92 and 128. If the
value of word 92 is FFFE, then the original manufacturer's Master
Password has not been changed. If bit 1 of word 128 is set, then
security is enabled. If bit 8 is reset, then the security level is
high as opposed to maximum, which means it will still be possible to
recover your data, provided you can remember the user password, or
uncover the master password.
I still use the following old Seagate DOS utility to capture the above
data:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/IDE-identify/FIND-ATA.EXE
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/IDE-identify/FIND-ATA.DOC
The following command retrieves the Identify Drive data from the
(p)rimary (s)lave and (d)umps it to a binary file.
find-ata p s d
See pages 34, 93, and 94 of this document:
http://www.t13.org/Documents/UploadedDocuments/project/d1321r3-ATA-ATAPI-5.pdf
Otherwise feel free to email me your Identify Drive data files and
I'll post them on my web space for others to look at.
- Franc Zabkar
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:43 pm
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Franc Zabkar wrote in news:lsbc44h276arn2mrnntiu5fu8v9pkpgvdc@4ax.com
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:20:18 -0700, "jbclem" <jbclem1 DeleteThis @charter.net> put
> finger to keyboard and composed:
>
> > Arno...Unfortunately, I didn't set up a password on these hard drives. You can see in my original message what
> > happened, I lost access to two of my three hard drives and it took a week to confirm that the the hard drives were
> > locked.
>
> > One of the password softwares on Hirens CD is ATAPWD, which I'm using to try different passwords. I'm pretty sure I
> > didn't invoke a password with it to lock the drives because I was trying to figure out a Win2000 password after mine
> > stopped working. But I'll try my Win2000 password just in case.
> I, Franc Zabkar, would issue an ATA Identify Drive command
Yes, but then YOU are an idjut.
Anyone else runs a Password utility that simply shows you everything you need to know.
> to each of your drives, capture their 512 byte responses, and analyse
> words 92 and 128.
> If the value of word 92 is FFFE,
> then the original manufacturer's Master Password has not been changed.
Nope, all it means it that that value (Master Password Identifier) wasn't
changed from the manufacturers default.
The value can also be 0000 or FFFF in which case the Master Password
Identifier feature is not supported.
The Master Password Identifier does not indicate whether a Master
Password exists or is valid.
Also, the value doesn't need to be changed when the Master Password
is changed. It's optional.
> If bit 1 of word 128 is set, then security is enabled. If bit 8 is reset,
> then the security level is high as opposed to maximum, which means it will
> still be possible to recover your data, provided you can remember the
> user password, or uncover the master password.
>
> I still use the following old Seagate DOS utility to capture the above
> data:
> http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/IDE-identify/FIND-ATA.EXE
> http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/IDE-identify/FIND-ATA.DOC
>
> The following command retrieves the Identify Drive data from the
> (p)rimary (s)lave and (d)umps it to a binary file.
>
> find-ata p s d
> See pages 34, 93, and 94 of this document:
> http://www.t13.org/Documents/UploadedDocuments/project/d1321r3-ATA-ATAPI-5.pdf
Perhaps you should read it yourself.
>
> Otherwise feel free to email me your Identify Drive data files and
> I'll post them on my web space for others to look at.
>
> - Franc Zabkar >> Stay informed about: Two of 3 hard drives, all sectors went back at same time??? |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:29 am
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Arno Wagner wrote in news:6am6kgF37mtfiU2@mid.individual.net
> Previously jbclem <jbclem1 DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote:
> > Arno...Unfortunately, I didn't set up a password on these hard drives.
Of course you didn't, it was the fairies.
> > You can see in my original message what happened, I lost
> > access to two of my three hard drives and it took a week to confirm
> > that the the hard drives were locked. I've found various passwords
> > to try (for locked Xbox hard drives, for Seagate hard drives, even a
> > Western Digital one for older models...didn't work on mine), and
> > plenty of people asking the same question as I am. Very few
> > answers. I wouldn't complain if I had known when I bought the hard
> > drives that this could happen , but it's not something the
> > manufacturers warn you about.
>
> So you are entirely unclear what software did lock the drives
> and when it happened? Is there any striking difference between
> the drive that did not get locked and the other ones?
>
> > There are a few data recovery
> > companies that claim they can get in and save the data, but no
> > mention of what they charge and I can't afford much anyway.
> > All of my .doc, .xls, htm, .pdf, etc... files were backed up to the
> > 3rd hard drive that's still working...but thousands of Firefox
> > bookmarks/favorites and emails are lost. Why would this third drive
> > be spared this problem, it's older, smaller, and FAT16 vs FAT32, and
> > for some reason this locking didn't occur on it.
>
> Hmm. Maybe the third drive does not support the ATA security
> extensions needed for locking? If it is old enough, that
> might be a possibility.
>
> > One of the password softwares on Hirens CD is ATAPWD, which I'm
> > using to try different passwords. I'm pretty sure I didn't invoke a
> > password with it to lock the drives
> > because I was trying to figure out a Win2000 password after mine
> stopped working.
For which one obviously uses IDE drive password utilities for tools.
> > But I'll try my Win2000 password just in case.
> I think the best bet (besides exoensive professional recovery)
> is finding out what locked the drive,
Yes, Babblebot, that was his question. So nice of you to repeat if for him.
> since that particular pice of software will have the password.
> > I hadn't thought about blocking these "adult" losers until you
> > mentioned it.
Not that you will. You're having way too much fun playing the troll.
> I think I was hoping they might say something of value
Pearls before swine, huh. No such luck.
> > but this must be their only social contact with people and it
> > seems to be driven by a pathological immaturity.
> On the spot.
Yeah, Babblebot, that describes you to a tee, doesn't it ...
Perhaps that's why the two of you bond so well.
>
> > That combined with a limited vocabulary is a hard combination to take
> > for very long. If only they were witty!
> > Course, they would have friends to talk to if that were true.
Like the Babblebot? He has lots of friends here, that's why he spends 24
hours per day here, 7 days of the week, all year round. Lots of friends.
Of course they need to be clueless, more clueless than himself, such as
yourself, otherwise they go into his killfile. Fortunately for him there
is plenty of clueless and utterly lazies to go around.
> > There should be regular reminders on this newsgroup about blocking
> > them out, after a while they'd just be shouting into an empty room,
> > only the psychos would continue once they realized no one could hear them.
Sounds very much like the Babblebot, with it's huge killfile.
Of course it provides him with the confidence that he so badly needs:
The silence of approval. So he can say the most stupid things over and
over and not notice any corrections, so he can say the same bullshit the
next time with total confidence all over again.
>
> There are even some psychos here that occasionally fake posting
> as somebody else in order to be heard. Truely pathetic.
> I can only
> conclude that some insane asylums allow their inmates usenet access.
Yeah, one of them crazies even fakes he is a lecturer on a Swiss university.
For some odd reason he thinks this newsgroup is his classroom.
Truely pathetic indeed.
>
> > When you say killfile, is that something other than the blocking
> > available in IE6?
>
> A killfile is a traditional newsreader concept that blocks postings
> based on author name or subject.
> I have no idea what IE6 offers, but my experience with MS is general
> incompetence when the Internet is concerned.
Nice one, Babblebot, step on your new found friend's soul.
Put your boot in it.
>
> Arno
>
>
>
> > "Arno Wagner" <me DeleteThis @privacy.net> wrote in message news:6ahqqdF3701bdU1@mid.individual.net...
> > > Previously jbclem <jbclem1 DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote:
> > > > Hard drives that are locked...that means no access of any kind. As
> > > > I said, in past tense, I "had" access in DOS, then after installing
> > > > Win2000 and trying some password programs, I lost all access.
> > > > Either I figure out how to unlock them, or find someone who can do
> > > > it, or sayonara to my data.
> > >
> > > I see. So the password you set up would be the ATA device
> > > password feature? What software did you use? There is also the
> > > possibility of a keymap mismatch, i.e. you are typing something
> > > else than you believe you are typing. If there is some other
> > > fields in the password software, use them to make sure you are
> > > typing the correct password.
> > >
> > > As to breaking in, it seems some data recovery companies can do that
> > > for some drives. The manufacturers ogviously do not want that a)
> > > because it makes the disk password look insecure b) it allows trading
> > > with stolen and locked disks and c) it prevents the sale of a new
> > > disk when somebody has lost their password.
> > >
> > > However, if you actually have the password, there should be better
> > > options than paying a lot of money. Maybe just trying to unlock with
> > > the same software you used to lock on a different computer (locked
> > > disk as second disk) will do the trick.
> > >
> > > > Thanks for your suggestions, and I appreciate some of the help from
> > > > this newsgroup...but it's too annoying to have to listen to these
> > > > high school kids who haven't learned how to speak to grownups. I'm
> > > > looking for some intelligent help on this matter, I didn't come here
> > > > to play straight man to some teenage loser.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately these are not high school kids, they have been areound
> > > far too long. I suggest you just killfile them, everybody else here
> > > does.
> > >
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