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Since: Jun 08, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:08 pm
Post subject: harddisk clicks, not recognized by BIOS
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Hello everybody,
I've got a problem with a harddisk. It's a 20 GB Seagate harddisk.
After a mega computer crash (power supply defect), it didn't work
again.
It won't be recognized by the BIOS during the startup proces and you
hear a regular click everytime.
There is some data on it which I would recover if possible.
I tried several recovery software (also Seagate software), but because
the harddisk isn't being recognized by all of these programs, I can't
recover anything.
The next step was to open the harddisk and when I turned it on I saw
that the arm with the heads didn't go all over the platters, but
stayed at the inside of the platters (near the center), then it moved
a little bit to the outside and then go directly back to the inside.
This gives that clicking sound.
It looks like the arm stuck. Can it have anything to do with automatic
head parking?
Does anyone from you have another idea to make this disk work again?
Thanks in advance, Jeroen |
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Since: Jan 02, 2004
Posts: 74
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:08 pm
Post subject: Re: harddisk clicks, not recognized by BIOS [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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<meulbus DeleteThis @HAALDITWEGplanet.nl> wrote in message
news:u53bc098tpqq59a8trqecre4v7jnl097lt@4ax.com...
> Hello everybody,
>
> I've got a problem with a harddisk. It's a 20 GB Seagate harddisk.
> After a mega computer crash (power supply defect), it didn't work
> again.
>
> It won't be recognized by the BIOS during the startup proces and you
> hear a regular click everytime.
> There is some data on it which I would recover if possible.
>
> I tried several recovery software (also Seagate software), but because
> the harddisk isn't being recognized by all of these programs, I can't
> recover anything.
>
> The next step was to open the harddisk and when I turned it on I saw
> that the arm with the heads didn't go all over the platters, but
> stayed at the inside of the platters (near the center), then it moved
> a little bit to the outside and then go directly back to the inside.
> This gives that clicking sound.
>
> It looks like the arm stuck. Can it have anything to do with automatic
> head parking?
>
> Does anyone from you have another idea to make this disk work again?
>
> Thanks in advance, Jeroen
Well first off, unless you opened it in a cleanroom you probably caused more
harm than anything. Once a HDD clicks it is typically dead. There are
places out there that say they can "switch platters" or some such. I have
found all of them to be pretty much, a waste of time. So I would personally
say that no...no way to retrieve data at this point.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> |
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Since: Mar 11, 2004
Posts: 616
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:08 pm
Post subject: Re: harddisk clicks, not recognized by BIOS [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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meulbus RemoveThis @HAALDITWEGplanet.nl wrote:
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> There is some data on it which I would recover if possible.
>
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> The next step was to open the harddisk and when I turned it on I
> saw that the arm with the heads didn't go all over the platters,
> but stayed at the inside of the platters (near the center), then
> it moved a little bit to the outside and then go directly back to
> the inside. This gives that clicking sound.
And you have now ensured that nobody anywhere will ever be able to
recover your data at any price. When you replace it I suggest you
get two identical drives, and use xxcopy to maintain the second as
a mirror of the first. Backup is painless when it is quick.
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Since: Jun 08, 2004
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:11 pm
Post subject: Re: harddisk clicks, not recognized by BIOS [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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<meulbus RemoveThis @HAALDITWEGplanet.nl> wrote in message
news:u53bc098tpqq59a8trqecre4v7jnl097lt@4ax.com...
> Hello everybody,
>
> I've got a problem with a harddisk. It's a 20 GB Seagate harddisk.
> After a mega computer crash (power supply defect), it didn't work
> again.
>
> It won't be recognized by the BIOS during the startup proces and you
> hear a regular click everytime.
> There is some data on it which I would recover if possible.
>
> I tried several recovery software (also Seagate software), but because
> the harddisk isn't being recognized by all of these programs, I can't
> recover anything.
>
> The next step was to open the harddisk and when I turned it on I saw
> that the arm with the heads didn't go all over the platters, but
> stayed at the inside of the platters (near the center), then it moved
> a little bit to the outside and then go directly back to the inside.
> This gives that clicking sound.
>
> It looks like the arm stuck. Can it have anything to do with automatic
> head parking?
>
> Does anyone from you have another idea to make this disk work again?
>
> Thanks in advance, Jeroen
As mentioned before it is unlikely you will be able to retrieve any data
from this drive, one thing i can suggest for you is to put the drive aside
untill you get hold of another system (whether it be a friends computer or
new) and try and run it as a secondary there, its unlikely that this will
help at all but i have had some interesting experiences with certain
hardware, unexplainable experiences, so i dont usually rule anything out!
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Since: May 11, 2004
Posts: 105
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 4:23 pm
Post subject: Re: harddisk clicks, not recognized by BIOS [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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meulbus.DeleteThis@HAALDITWEGplanet.nl wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I've got a problem with a harddisk. It's a 20 GB Seagate harddisk.
> After a mega computer crash (power supply defect), it didn't work
> again.
>
> It won't be recognized by the BIOS during the startup proces and you
> hear a regular click everytime.
> There is some data on it which I would recover if possible.
>
> I tried several recovery software (also Seagate software), but because
> the harddisk isn't being recognized by all of these programs, I can't
> recover anything.
>
> The next step was to open the harddisk and when I turned it on I saw
> that the arm with the heads didn't go all over the platters, but
> stayed at the inside of the platters (near the center), then it moved
> a little bit to the outside and then go directly back to the inside.
> This gives that clicking sound.
>
> It looks like the arm stuck. Can it have anything to do with automatic
> head parking?
>
> Does anyone from you have another idea to make this disk work again?
>
> Thanks in advance, Jeroen
I don't mean to be rude but you are an idiot! Opening a hard drive is a
guaranteed way to ensure that any data that may have been present is
unrecoverable. If that was your intention, then congratulations. There is
even a warning printed on the label stating that a drive should *NEVER* be
opened.
The drive is dead - you just ensured that by removing the cover.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: harddisk clicks, not recognized by BIOS |
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Since: Feb 08, 2004
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 4:49 pm
Post subject: Re: harddisk clicks, not recognized by BIOS [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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<meulbus.DeleteThis@HAALDITWEGplanet.nl> wrote in message
news:u53bc098tpqq59a8trqecre4v7jnl097lt@4ax.com...
> Hello everybody,
>
> I've got a problem with a harddisk. It's a 20 GB Seagate harddisk.
> After a mega computer crash (power supply defect), it didn't work
> again.
>
> It won't be recognized by the BIOS during the startup proces and you
> hear a regular click everytime.
> There is some data on it which I would recover if possible.
>
> I tried several recovery software (also Seagate software), but because
> the harddisk isn't being recognized by all of these programs, I can't
> recover anything.
>
> The next step was to open the harddisk and when I turned it on I saw
> that the arm with the heads didn't go all over the platters, but
> stayed at the inside of the platters (near the center), then it moved
> a little bit to the outside and then go directly back to the inside.
> This gives that clicking sound.
>
> It looks like the arm stuck. Can it have anything to do with automatic
> head parking?
>
Ok...you need not worry about the comments that a drive must be opened
in a clean room. the drive is already defective so that will hardly matter
at this point.
if you *gently* wiggle the arm a bit you *might* be able to free it up
long enough to get it moving again and retrieve your data. i have tried that
trick
quite a few times and though it probably won;t work...i did get it working
on one occassion... the drive actually continued working for several
days after that.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: harddisk clicks, not recognized by BIOS |
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Since: Jul 12, 2004
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:23 pm
Post subject: Re: harddisk clicks, not recognized by BIOS [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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The heads should not go all over the platter. They should go from the parked position to track 0 to read the master boot record. The drive is probably unable to read the MBR.
meulbus.DeleteThis@HAALDITWEGplanet.nl wrote:
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> Hello everybody,
>
> I've got a problem with a harddisk. It's a 20 GB Seagate harddisk.
> After a mega computer crash (power supply defect), it didn't work
> again.
>
> It won't be recognized by the BIOS during the startup proces and you
> hear a regular click everytime.
> There is some data on it which I would recover if possible.
>
> I tried several recovery software (also Seagate software), but because
> the harddisk isn't being recognized by all of these programs, I can't
> recover anything.
>
> The next step was to open the harddisk and when I turned it on I saw
> that the arm with the heads didn't go all over the platters, but
> stayed at the inside of the platters (near the center), then it moved
> a little bit to the outside and then go directly back to the inside.
> This gives that clicking sound.
>
> It looks like the arm stuck. Can it have anything to do with automatic
> head parking?
>
> Does anyone from you have another idea to make this disk work again?
>
> Thanks in advance, Jeroen
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 7:24 pm
Post subject: Re: harddisk clicks, not recognized by BIOS [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:11 am
Post subject: Re: harddisk clicks, not recognized by BIOS [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:49:32 -0500, "philo" <philo.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote:
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>
>Ok...you need not worry about the comments that a drive must be opened
>in a clean room. the drive is already defective so that will hardly matter
>at this point.
>
>if you *gently* wiggle the arm a bit you *might* be able to free it up
>long enough to get it moving again and retrieve your data. i have tried that
>trick
>quite a few times and though it probably won;t work...i did get it working
>on one occassion... the drive actually continued working for several
>days after that.
>
Thank you all for your reactions. I already tried the freezer trick,
but that didn't work.
When I wiggle the arm when the drive isn't on, it looks like the heads
stick to the surface of the platters, but when I put the drive on and
the platters are turning round, then I can move the arm and the head
much easier. Is this normal? (still the same problem eventhough).
Rescueing the data from this disk isn't very important, but now I'm
this far, I found it a challenge to make this drive working again, so
other suggestions?
Or is there a piece of software that can "see" defective harddisks
that the BIOS isn't able to see?
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Since: Feb 08, 2004
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:11 am
Post subject: Re: harddisk clicks, not recognized by BIOS [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> >Ok...you need not worry about the comments that a drive must be opened
> >in a clean room. the drive is already defective so that will hardly
matter
> >at this point.
> >
> >if you *gently* wiggle the arm a bit you *might* be able to free it up
> >long enough to get it moving again and retrieve your data. i have tried
that
> >trick
> >quite a few times and though it probably won;t work...i did get it
working
> >on one occassion... the drive actually continued working for several
> >days after that.
> >
>
> Thank you all for your reactions. I already tried the freezer trick,
> but that didn't work.
> When I wiggle the arm when the drive isn't on, it looks like the heads
> stick to the surface of the platters, but when I put the drive on and
> the platters are turning round, then I can move the arm and the head
> much easier. Is this normal? (still the same problem eventhough).
>
> Rescueing the data from this disk isn't very important, but now I'm
> this far, I found it a challenge to make this drive working again, so
> other suggestions?
> Or is there a piece of software that can "see" defective harddisks
> that the BIOS isn't able to see?
>
> Jeroen
well if the drive is physically defective to the point that the bios won't
detect it
there is not a heck of a lot you can do
you could try slaving it to another drive and try to read the data...
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Since: Mar 19, 2004
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:08 pm
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Colin wrote:
> As a last resort you could try freezing it !!!
Or frying it and serving it with a side of chips.
I don't think the old freeze trick is gonna help in this case.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:16 pm
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meulbus.RemoveThis@HAALDITWEGplanet.nl wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:49:32 -0500, "philo" <philo.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> Ok...you need not worry about the comments that a drive must be
>> opened
>> in a clean room. the drive is already defective so that will hardly
>> matter at this point.
>>
>> if you *gently* wiggle the arm a bit you *might* be able to free it
>> up
>> long enough to get it moving again and retrieve your data. i have
>> tried that trick
>> quite a few times and though it probably won;t work...i did get it
>> working on one occassion... the drive actually continued working for
>> several
>> days after that.
>>
>
> Thank you all for your reactions. I already tried the freezer trick,
> but that didn't work.
> When I wiggle the arm when the drive isn't on, it looks like the heads
> stick to the surface of the platters, but when I put the drive on and
> the platters are turning round, then I can move the arm and the head
> much easier. Is this normal? (still the same problem eventhough).
Yes. You have effectively ruined the data storage area for sure now. When
the drive isn't running the heads are in contact with the platters, (that's
why they 'park' in a data-free, hardened area) when it's running the heads
effectively float on a cushion of air due to the rotation of the platters
pulling the surface air with them. As you have dragged the heads across the
data area while it wasn't spun-up you will have damaged it for sure.
> Rescueing the data from this disk isn't very important, but now I'm
> this far, I found it a challenge to make this drive working again, so
> other suggestions?
The platters make good windchimes.
Next time ask questions before getting the torx screwdriver out.
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