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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 2:39 pm
Post subject: Old hardware help required
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God I'm sick of helping 'friends' with their PCs. I'm posting this here as I
did have it overclocked to 200Mhz for a while and really need all the help I
can get on it. there are some clued-up peeps here.
I need help with this latest one.
A while ago I upgraded an old Kaiyo machine for a (financially challenged)
friend from an AMD 686 100Mhz to a P166MMX, bumped the RAM up from 8MB to
64MB and slapped in a 256Kb COAST module and added a PCI NIC so his missus
could use this old machine, running 98SE, and use the net, email etc. using
MS ICS from his (PIII) machine. It's an Ocktek mobo. All I got out of it was
I sold him a 15" monitor in good condition for $50.
They were pleased as punch with it for months. Then today I get a call, "The
monitor isn't working". They turn it on, the LEDs come on, the HDD clicks a
few times and...... nothing.
I told him the monitor is a good one and to unplug the monitor from the PC
and, lo and behold, "No signal input" appears on the monitor. Being the
sucker I am I agree to him bringing the box around and so I can have a look
at it.
First thing I do is hook it up to a monitor etc. here and it's just as he
described. No monitor action, no BIOS beeps, just a bit of HDD seek noise.
OK, try a different PCI video card. No change. Try another. Still the same.
Try a different PCI slot, nada. Try an ISA video card (why the hell do I
still have one of those?) still nothing.
HDD light is flashing for a second or two when you first push the power
button, as is the CD-ROM light. CPU fan is spinning fine but nothing is
happening.
So I grab a spare Socket 7 AT mobo out of the bits box, an MSI, a good
board. TX chip-set, 512Kb on-board cache, a lot better than the original.
Change everything over and... Just the same, exactly the same.
So I swapped out the CPU for another P166MMX, no change. I pull the NIC and
soundcard, no change. Unplug the IDE and floppy cables.... you guessed it,
no change. No BIOS on screen, no beeps, nothing.
So I tried the RAM modules seperately (2 X 32MB) still nothing.
As the drives were all spinning and there was power on the 12 and 5 volt
connectors on the molex plugs and I couldn't be bothered completely swapping
PSUs (It was late and he'd been here two hours, talking incessantly) I used
a different PSU to power the mobo, thinking maybe the 3.3v was shot. Turned
them both on at the same time with the second PSU earthed to the chassis,
Still no change. (I no longer have a multi-meter, gave it to a friend in
more affluent times who does a lot more electronics work than me when his
packed up, intending to replace it but... never did and now can't afford
one)
Previous to this, in the last week or so, he tells me sometimes it wouldn't
boot but hitting reset a time or two fixed it. Until tonight.
I told him to leave it with me. I'm gonna bench-test the original mobo
tomorrow, seems a good place to start.
Please, my learned friends, do any of you have the slightest idea what may
be going on with this POS? 
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 2:39 pm
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Your monitor or his..?
If it's his then it might be receiving signal so that it doesn't show the
'no signal' message but it's not actually displaying anything that it does
receive..?
Seems to be the only common item between all your tests below...
Ciao...
[UK]_Nick...
"~misfit~" <misfit@'SPAMTRAP'orcon.net.nz> wrote
> God I'm sick of helping 'friends' with their PCs. I'm posting this here as
I
> did have it overclocked to 200Mhz for a while and really need all the help
I
> can get on it. there are some clued-up peeps here.
>
> I need help with this latest one.
>
> A while ago I upgraded an old Kaiyo machine for a (financially challenged)
> friend from an AMD 686 100Mhz to a P166MMX, bumped the RAM up from 8MB to
> 64MB and slapped in a 256Kb COAST module and added a PCI NIC so his missus
> could use this old machine, running 98SE, and use the net, email etc.
using
> MS ICS from his (PIII) machine. It's an Ocktek mobo. All I got out of it
was
> I sold him a 15" monitor in good condition for $50.
>
> They were pleased as punch with it for months. Then today I get a call,
"The
> monitor isn't working". They turn it on, the LEDs come on, the HDD clicks
a
> few times and...... nothing.
>
> I told him the monitor is a good one and to unplug the monitor from the PC
> and, lo and behold, "No signal input" appears on the monitor. Being the
> sucker I am I agree to him bringing the box around and so I can have a
look
> at it.
>
> First thing I do is hook it up to a monitor etc. here and it's just as he
> described. No monitor action, no BIOS beeps, just a bit of HDD seek noise.
>
> OK, try a different PCI video card. No change. Try another. Still the
same.
> Try a different PCI slot, nada. Try an ISA video card (why the hell do I
> still have one of those?) still nothing.
>
> HDD light is flashing for a second or two when you first push the power
> button, as is the CD-ROM light. CPU fan is spinning fine but nothing is
> happening.
>
> So I grab a spare Socket 7 AT mobo out of the bits box, an MSI, a good
> board. TX chip-set, 512Kb on-board cache, a lot better than the original.
> Change everything over and... Just the same, exactly the same.
>
> So I swapped out the CPU for another P166MMX, no change. I pull the NIC
and
> soundcard, no change. Unplug the IDE and floppy cables.... you guessed it,
> no change. No BIOS on screen, no beeps, nothing.
>
> So I tried the RAM modules seperately (2 X 32MB) still nothing.
>
> As the drives were all spinning and there was power on the 12 and 5 volt
> connectors on the molex plugs and I couldn't be bothered completely
swapping
> PSUs (It was late and he'd been here two hours, talking incessantly) I
used
> a different PSU to power the mobo, thinking maybe the 3.3v was shot.
Turned
> them both on at the same time with the second PSU earthed to the chassis,
> Still no change. (I no longer have a multi-meter, gave it to a friend in
> more affluent times who does a lot more electronics work than me when his
> packed up, intending to replace it but... never did and now can't afford
> one)
>
> Previous to this, in the last week or so, he tells me sometimes it
wouldn't
> boot but hitting reset a time or two fixed it. Until tonight.
>
> I told him to leave it with me. I'm gonna bench-test the original mobo
> tomorrow, seems a good place to start.
>
> Please, my learned friends, do any of you have the slightest idea what may
> be going on with this POS?
> --
> ~misfit~
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 2:39 pm
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~misfit~ wrote:
> God I'm sick of helping 'friends' with their PCs. I'm posting this here as I
> did have it overclocked to 200Mhz for a while and really need all the help I
> can get on it. there are some clued-up peeps here.
>
> I need help with this latest one.
>
> A while ago I upgraded an old Kaiyo machine for a (financially challenged)
> friend from an AMD 686 100Mhz to a P166MMX, bumped the RAM up from 8MB to
> 64MB and slapped in a 256Kb COAST module and added a PCI NIC so his missus
> could use this old machine, running 98SE, and use the net, email etc. using
> MS ICS from his (PIII) machine. It's an Ocktek mobo. All I got out of it was
> I sold him a 15" monitor in good condition for $50.
>
> They were pleased as punch with it for months. Then today I get a call, "The
> monitor isn't working". They turn it on, the LEDs come on, the HDD clicks a
> few times and...... nothing.
>
> I told him the monitor is a good one and to unplug the monitor from the PC
> and, lo and behold, "No signal input" appears on the monitor. Being the
> sucker I am I agree to him bringing the box around and so I can have a look
> at it.
>
> First thing I do is hook it up to a monitor etc. here and it's just as he
> described. No monitor action, no BIOS beeps, just a bit of HDD seek noise.
>
> OK, try a different PCI video card. No change. Try another. Still the same.
> Try a different PCI slot, nada. Try an ISA video card (why the hell do I
> still have one of those?) still nothing.
>
> HDD light is flashing for a second or two when you first push the power
> button, as is the CD-ROM light. CPU fan is spinning fine but nothing is
> happening.
>
> So I grab a spare Socket 7 AT mobo out of the bits box, an MSI, a good
> board. TX chip-set, 512Kb on-board cache, a lot better than the original.
> Change everything over and... Just the same, exactly the same.
>
> So I swapped out the CPU for another P166MMX, no change. I pull the NIC and
> soundcard, no change. Unplug the IDE and floppy cables.... you guessed it,
> no change. No BIOS on screen, no beeps, nothing.
>
> So I tried the RAM modules seperately (2 X 32MB) still nothing.
>
> As the drives were all spinning and there was power on the 12 and 5 volt
> connectors on the molex plugs and I couldn't be bothered completely swapping
> PSUs (It was late and he'd been here two hours, talking incessantly) I used
> a different PSU to power the mobo, thinking maybe the 3.3v was shot. Turned
> them both on at the same time with the second PSU earthed to the chassis,
> Still no change. (I no longer have a multi-meter, gave it to a friend in
> more affluent times who does a lot more electronics work than me when his
> packed up, intending to replace it but... never did and now can't afford
> one)
>
> Previous to this, in the last week or so, he tells me sometimes it wouldn't
> boot but hitting reset a time or two fixed it. Until tonight.
>
> I told him to leave it with me. I'm gonna bench-test the original mobo
> tomorrow, seems a good place to start.
>
> Please, my learned friends, do any of you have the slightest idea what may
> be going on with this POS?
> --
> ~misfit~
It's confusing all right till you got to the "hitting reset a time or two" part
so, now you're going to think I'm nuts but, remove the reset switch plug from
the motherboard and see if she boots without it connected.
I had forgotten about the one that drove me nuts till I discovered the reset
switch was stuck in reset but that clue reminded me. They don't do much with a
perpetual reset.
Mine was actually a poorly designed case button sticking in the case hole and a
bit of 'readjustment' fixed the switch but I'm sure the colorful language helped
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 2:39 pm
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"~misfit~" <misfit@'SPAMTRAP'orcon.net.nz> wrote in message
news:2tMab.152959$JA5.3751900@news.xtra.co.nz...
> God I'm sick of helping 'friends' with their PCs. I'm posting this here as
I
> did have it overclocked to 200Mhz for a while and really need all the help
I
> can get on it. there are some clued-up peeps here.
>
> I need help with this latest one.
>
> A while ago I upgraded an old Kaiyo machine for a (financially challenged)
> friend from an AMD 686 100Mhz to a P166MMX, bumped the RAM up from 8MB to
> 64MB and slapped in a 256Kb COAST module and added a PCI NIC so his missus
> could use this old machine, running 98SE, and use the net, email etc.
using
> MS ICS from his (PIII) machine. It's an Ocktek mobo. All I got out of it
was
> I sold him a 15" monitor in good condition for $50.
>
> They were pleased as punch with it for months. Then today I get a call,
"The
> monitor isn't working". They turn it on, the LEDs come on, the HDD clicks
a
> few times and...... nothing.
>
> I told him the monitor is a good one and to unplug the monitor from the PC
> and, lo and behold, "No signal input" appears on the monitor. Being the
> sucker I am I agree to him bringing the box around and so I can have a
look
> at it.
>
> First thing I do is hook it up to a monitor etc. here and it's just as he
> described. No monitor action, no BIOS beeps, just a bit of HDD seek noise.
>
> OK, try a different PCI video card. No change. Try another. Still the
same.
> Try a different PCI slot, nada. Try an ISA video card (why the hell do I
> still have one of those?) still nothing.
>
> HDD light is flashing for a second or two when you first push the power
> button, as is the CD-ROM light. CPU fan is spinning fine but nothing is
> happening.
>
> So I grab a spare Socket 7 AT mobo out of the bits box, an MSI, a good
> board. TX chip-set, 512Kb on-board cache, a lot better than the original.
> Change everything over and... Just the same, exactly the same.
>
> So I swapped out the CPU for another P166MMX, no change. I pull the NIC
and
> soundcard, no change. Unplug the IDE and floppy cables.... you guessed it,
> no change. No BIOS on screen, no beeps, nothing.
>
> So I tried the RAM modules seperately (2 X 32MB) still nothing.
>
> As the drives were all spinning and there was power on the 12 and 5 volt
> connectors on the molex plugs and I couldn't be bothered completely
swapping
> PSUs (It was late and he'd been here two hours, talking incessantly) I
used
> a different PSU to power the mobo, thinking maybe the 3.3v was shot.
Turned
> them both on at the same time with the second PSU earthed to the chassis,
> Still no change. (I no longer have a multi-meter, gave it to a friend in
> more affluent times who does a lot more electronics work than me when his
> packed up, intending to replace it but... never did and now can't afford
> one)
>
> Previous to this, in the last week or so, he tells me sometimes it
wouldn't
> boot but hitting reset a time or two fixed it. Until tonight.
>
> I told him to leave it with me. I'm gonna bench-test the original mobo
> tomorrow, seems a good place to start.
>
> Please, my learned friends, do any of you have the slightest idea what may
> be going on with this POS?
> --
> ~misfit~
>
>
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Although I'm a little confused at exactlly what you have done. But
everything I come up with it seems you have already tried. It almost sounds
like a electrical short to me. So maybe you should change the out IDE and
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:34 pm
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"Nick M V Salmon" <spam_dump DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Your monitor or his..?
>
> If it's his then it might be receiving signal so that it doesn't show the
> 'no signal' message but it's not actually displaying anything that it does
> receive..?
>
> Seems to be the only common item between all your tests below...
Thanks for taking the time to read this Nick. It behaved the same at his
place with his monitor and at my place with a spare monitor I have.
I'm still stumped.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:10 am
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"David Maynard" <dNOTmayn RemoveThis @ev1.net> wrote in message
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> It's confusing all right till you got to the "hitting reset a time or two"
part
> so, now you're going to think I'm nuts but, remove the reset switch plug
from
> the motherboard and see if she boots without it connected.
>
> I had forgotten about the one that drove me nuts till I discovered the
reset
> switch was stuck in reset but that clue reminded me. They don't do much
with a
> perpetual reset.
>
> Mine was actually a poorly designed case button sticking in the case hole
and a
> bit of 'readjustment' fixed the switch but I'm sure the colorful language
helped
> as well.
That was a damn good thought David. Unfortunately, I just tried it and it
didn't fix it!!!
Damn!
Good thinking though, thanks.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:10 am
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My only thought is - what is common across all the failures..? It seemed to
me reading all the posts that you've changed _everything_ out but maybe you
didn't mention one thing or another..?
Me, I'd go back to absolute basics with a motherboard out on the bench, a
single pair of SIMMs, graphics card, CPU & PSU until I got a combination
that will at least boot - then switch his kit back in until it won't boot =
culprit, or at least one of them - it sounds to me as though he may have
been 'spiked' and more than one component is dead - maybe whatever was on
the way out causing the intermittant boot took other components with it when
it finally failed..?
Ciao...
[UK]_Nick...
"~misfit~" <misfit@'SPAMTRAP'orcon.net.nz> wrote
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> "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn DeleteThis @ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:3F6C1187.3010808@ev1.net...
>
> > It's confusing all right till you got to the "hitting reset a time or
two"
> part
> > so, now you're going to think I'm nuts but, remove the reset switch plug
> from
> > the motherboard and see if she boots without it connected.
> >
> > I had forgotten about the one that drove me nuts till I discovered the
> reset
> > switch was stuck in reset but that clue reminded me. They don't do much
> with a
> > perpetual reset.
> >
> > Mine was actually a poorly designed case button sticking in the case
hole
> and a
> > bit of 'readjustment' fixed the switch but I'm sure the colorful
language
> helped
> > as well.
>
> That was a damn good thought David. Unfortunately, I just tried it and it
> didn't fix it!!!
>
> Damn!
>
> Good thinking though, thanks.
> --
> ~misfit~
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:10 am
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~misfit~ wrote:
> "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn.RemoveThis@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:3F6C1187.3010808@ev1.net...
>
>
>>It's confusing all right till you got to the "hitting reset a time or two"
>
> part
>
>>so, now you're going to think I'm nuts but, remove the reset switch plug
>
> from
>
>>the motherboard and see if she boots without it connected.
>>
>>I had forgotten about the one that drove me nuts till I discovered the
>
> reset
>
>>switch was stuck in reset but that clue reminded me. They don't do much
>
> with a
>
>>perpetual reset.
>>
>>Mine was actually a poorly designed case button sticking in the case hole
>
> and a
>
>>bit of 'readjustment' fixed the switch but I'm sure the colorful language
>
> helped
>
>>as well.
>
>
> That was a damn good thought David. Unfortunately, I just tried it and it
> didn't fix it!!!
>
> Damn!
>
> Good thinking though, thanks.
> --
> ~misfit~
Rats. Well, I guess that's why oddball, one of, problems/solutions feel so,
uh... oddball and one of
There is, of course, the chance it's more than one failure although the
apparent, claimed, semi flakiness suggests something semi intermittent (a loose
wire/connector could cause that and then remain 'broke' when it eventually lost
connection completely). At any rate, with as many things as you've tried I'd
suggest an alternate approach. Rather than swapping things into the 'broke'
system to see 'which thing is bad', get a second operational system running and
swap in ONE thing at a time into it from the 'broke' one to see if that one
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:10 am
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David Maynard wrote:
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>
>> "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn.TakeThisOut@ev1.net> wrote in message
>> news:3F6C1187.3010808@ev1.net...
>>
>>
>>> It's confusing all right till you got to the "hitting reset a time or
>>> two"
>>
>>
>> part
>>
>>> so, now you're going to think I'm nuts but, remove the reset switch plug
>>
>>
>> from
>>
>>> the motherboard and see if she boots without it connected.
>>>
>>> I had forgotten about the one that drove me nuts till I discovered the
>>
>>
>> reset
>>
>>> switch was stuck in reset but that clue reminded me. They don't do much
>>
>>
>> with a
>>
>>> perpetual reset.
>>>
>>> Mine was actually a poorly designed case button sticking in the case
>>> hole
>>
>>
>> and a
>>
>>> bit of 'readjustment' fixed the switch but I'm sure the colorful
>>> language
>>
>>
>> helped
>>
>>> as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> That was a damn good thought David. Unfortunately, I just tried it and it
>> didn't fix it!!!
>>
>> Damn!
>>
>> Good thinking though, thanks.
>> --
>> ~misfit~
>
>
> Rats. Well, I guess that's why oddball, one of, problems/solutions feel
> so, uh... oddball and one of
Tell me about it! Just went through a *very* frustrating 3 hour
exercise. In the end there was nothing wrong, it was just being ornery.
I decided to swap the boot drive in my dual P3-S P2B-DS system - the old
4.3G Cheetah was a lot slower than an 18G Cheetah I had on the shelf, so
I took the side off, plugged the new drive into a spare SCSI connector,
and imaged the 3 boot drive partitions onto the new drive. Powered down,
removed the old boot drive, installed the new one, and put the cover
back on.
System boots normally, but Windoze complains about an invalid paging
file configuration - which was expected because I'd changed the
partition order so the swap partition had gotten a different drive letter.
Fixed that, rebooted, damn thing comes up with only one processor. Odd,
hit the reset button, same thing. OK, power cycle it - now it won't POST
at all. I assume I must have bumped a processor while working inside the
case - darn slot 1 connectors get dodgy on these old boards, reseat the
CPUs and it will be fine. Nope, can't get it to POST with either CPU in
either slot no matter how many times I reseat. Start disconnecting
stuff, eventually get down to one stick of ram, one Celeron processor,
video, and POST diagnostic card - all known good from the testbed. Still
no sign of life! Damn, board must have died. Pull it out and try it on
the bench - works.
I re-connected *everything* except the PSU one piece at a time on the
bench, still working fine. Put it all back in the case with the original
PSU, still works fine.
Everything is now *exactly* the way it was when the whole episode
started, except for the new boot drive. I have absolutely no idea what
the problem might have been - especially since it didn't appear until
the second reboot after I messed around inside the case .... PITA!
>
> There is, of course, the chance it's more than one failure although the
> apparent, claimed, semi flakiness suggests something semi intermittent
> (a loose wire/connector could cause that and then remain 'broke' when it
> eventually lost connection completely). At any rate, with as many things
> as you've tried I'd suggest an alternate approach. Rather than swapping
> things into the 'broke' system to see 'which thing is bad', get a second
> operational system running and swap in ONE thing at a time into it from
> the 'broke' one to see if that one thing works. Then the next, then one
> more, etc.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:10 am
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P2B wrote:
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> David Maynard wrote:
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>> Rats. Well, I guess that's why oddball, one of, problems/solutions
>> feel so, uh... oddball and one of
>
>
> Tell me about it! Just went through a *very* frustrating 3 hour
> exercise. In the end there was nothing wrong, it was just being ornery.
>
> I decided to swap the boot drive in my dual P3-S P2B-DS system - the old
> 4.3G Cheetah was a lot slower than an 18G Cheetah I had on the shelf, so
> I took the side off, plugged the new drive into a spare SCSI connector,
> and imaged the 3 boot drive partitions onto the new drive. Powered down,
> removed the old boot drive, installed the new one, and put the cover
> back on.
>
> System boots normally, but Windoze complains about an invalid paging
> file configuration - which was expected because I'd changed the
> partition order so the swap partition had gotten a different drive letter.
>
> Fixed that, rebooted, damn thing comes up with only one processor. Odd,
> hit the reset button, same thing. OK, power cycle it - now it won't POST
> at all. I assume I must have bumped a processor while working inside the
> case - darn slot 1 connectors get dodgy on these old boards, reseat the
> CPUs and it will be fine. Nope, can't get it to POST with either CPU in
> either slot no matter how many times I reseat. Start disconnecting
> stuff, eventually get down to one stick of ram, one Celeron processor,
> video, and POST diagnostic card - all known good from the testbed. Still
> no sign of life! Damn, board must have died. Pull it out and try it on
> the bench - works.
>
> I re-connected *everything* except the PSU one piece at a time on the
> bench, still working fine. Put it all back in the case with the original
> PSU, still works fine.
>
> Everything is now *exactly* the way it was when the whole episode
> started, except for the new boot drive. I have absolutely no idea what
> the problem might have been - especially since it didn't appear until
> the second reboot after I messed around inside the case .... PITA!
Thank you. I needed that as I was beginning to think I was the only one
afflicted with gremlins.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:19 pm
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"Nick M V Salmon" <spam_dump.DeleteThis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> My only thought is - what is common across all the failures..? It seemed
to
> me reading all the posts that you've changed _everything_ out but maybe
you
> didn't mention one thing or another..?
About the only thing in common is the case and the front panel connectors
(LEDs etc).
> Me, I'd go back to absolute basics with a motherboard out on the bench, a
> single pair of SIMMs, graphics card, CPU & PSU until I got a combination
> that will at least boot - then switch his kit back in until it won't boot
=
> culprit, or at least one of them - it sounds to me as though he may have
> been 'spiked' and more than one component is dead - maybe whatever was on
> the way out causing the intermittant boot took other components with it
when
> it finally failed..?
Yep. That's what I'm gonna do. I have a few other mobos and CPUs, PSUs
CDROMs etc as well, I don't care what I have to swap out, it'd just be nice
to keep his OS install and HDD.
Thanks Nick.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:20 pm
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"Z28" <z28 RemoveThis @coolquiz.com> wrote in message
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> Although I'm a little confused at exactlly what you have done. But
> everything I come up with it seems you have already tried. It almost
sounds
> like a electrical short to me. So maybe you should change the out IDE and
> floppy ribbon cables and see what happens.
Thanks. I'm gonna try a bench-build with different IDE and floppy cables.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:25 pm
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"David Maynard" <dNOTmayn.RemoveThis@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> ~misfit~ wrote:
> > That was a damn good thought David. Unfortunately, I just tried it and
it
> > didn't fix it!!!
> >
> > Damn!
> >
> > Good thinking though, thanks.
>
> Rats. Well, I guess that's why oddball, one of, problems/solutions feel
so,
> uh... oddball and one of
>
> There is, of course, the chance it's more than one failure although the
> apparent, claimed, semi flakiness suggests something semi intermittent (a
loose
> wire/connector could cause that and then remain 'broke' when it eventually
lost
> connection completely). At any rate, with as many things as you've tried
I'd
> suggest an alternate approach. Rather than swapping things into the
'broke'
> system to see 'which thing is bad', get a second operational system
running and
> swap in ONE thing at a time into it from the 'broke' one to see if that
one
> thing works. Then the next, then one more, etc.
That's basically what I'm gonna do. I've pretty much got 2+ systems lying
around the table now anyway (and another 4 or 5 in the back room in the
parts boxes). I'm gonna start with the MSI mobo as it is the faster board
and has 512Kb on-board cache (rather than a 256Kb COAST) and work my way on
from there.
Nearly time I threw out all this socket 7 stuff as I did the 486 stuff a
year ago.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:25 pm
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~misfit~ wrote:
> "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn.RemoveThis@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:3F6CDE57.3030509@ev1.net...
>
>>~misfit~ wrote:
>>
>>>That was a damn good thought David. Unfortunately, I just tried it and
>>
> it
>
>>>didn't fix it!!!
>>>
>>>Damn!
>>>
>>>Good thinking though, thanks.
>>
>>Rats. Well, I guess that's why oddball, one of, problems/solutions feel
>
> so,
>
>>uh... oddball and one of
>>
>>There is, of course, the chance it's more than one failure although the
>>apparent, claimed, semi flakiness suggests something semi intermittent (a
>
> loose
>
>>wire/connector could cause that and then remain 'broke' when it eventually
>
> lost
>
>>connection completely). At any rate, with as many things as you've tried
>
> I'd
>
>>suggest an alternate approach. Rather than swapping things into the
>
> 'broke'
>
>>system to see 'which thing is bad', get a second operational system
>
> running and
>
>>swap in ONE thing at a time into it from the 'broke' one to see if that
>
> one
>
>>thing works. Then the next, then one more, etc.
>
>
> That's basically what I'm gonna do. I've pretty much got 2+ systems lying
> around the table now anyway (and another 4 or 5 in the back room in the
> parts boxes). I'm gonna start with the MSI mobo as it is the faster board
> and has 512Kb on-board cache (rather than a 256Kb COAST) and work my way on
> from there.
Oh definitely. MoBo cache size and speed are first concerns when troubleshooting
a dead system. <g>
> Nearly time I threw out all this socket 7 stuff as I did the 486 stuff a
> year ago.
Just be sure to throw it in my direction.
>
> Cheers David,
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"~misfit~" <misfit@'SPAMTRAP'orcon.net.nz> wrote in message
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> year ago.
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NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's still great fun to play with!! Give it to any kid interested. I'm
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together and it worked, so playing with the old socket 7 vintage stuff
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