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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:55 pm
Post subject: The inferiority of Maxtor
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What is it with Maxtor internal IDE hard drives? This week is the
second time I had trouble with a Maxtor Diamond hard drive.
Here's the story:
When I attempted to access the folder in which the file I needed
was stored, Windows 2000 threw an "Error performing inpage
operation on hard disk" error dialog. The first thing I did was run
chkdsk with the '/R' switch. chkdsk found some errors and claimed
to have fixed them, but I still couldn't access the folder with my
files. So, then I used the Maxtor "PowerMax" diagnostic utility to
test the drive. During the Advanced Test, the utility reported that
the drive was failing and that I should contact Maxtor.
The funny thing is, this exact same thing happened to me with a
different Maxtor hard drive on one of my other computers back in
December of last year. I managed to "repair" the drive by using a
utility called "dban" and having it do a wipe of my hard drive 3
times. After doing that, the Maxtor diagnostic utility claimed the
drive was healthy again, and I haven't had any problems since. I
still don't trust the drive, though.
What is causing this data corruption? Is it more likely an error of
the operating system, or the hard drive itself? I know Maxtor is
known for drives going bad, but this is ridiculous considering my
hard drives were baught new only a year ago.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:55 pm
Post subject: Re: The inferiority of Maxtor [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Ian wrote:
> What is it with Maxtor internal IDE hard drives? This week is the
> second time I had trouble with a Maxtor Diamond hard drive.
>
> Here's the story:
>
> When I attempted to access the folder in which the file I needed
> was stored, Windows 2000 threw an "Error performing inpage
> operation on hard disk" error dialog. The first thing I did was run
> chkdsk with the '/R' switch. chkdsk found some errors and claimed
> to have fixed them, but I still couldn't access the folder with my
> files. So, then I used the Maxtor "PowerMax" diagnostic utility to
> test the drive. During the Advanced Test, the utility reported that
> the drive was failing and that I should contact Maxtor.
>
> The funny thing is, this exact same thing happened to me with a
> different Maxtor hard drive on one of my other computers back in
> December of last year. I managed to "repair" the drive by using a
> utility called "dban" and having it do a wipe of my hard drive 3
> times. After doing that, the Maxtor diagnostic utility claimed the
> drive was healthy again, and I haven't had any problems since. I
> still don't trust the drive, though.
>
> What is causing this data corruption? Is it more likely an error of
> the operating system, or the hard drive itself? I know Maxtor is
> known for drives going bad, but this is ridiculous considering my
> hard drives were baught new only a year ago.
>
>
Until you know the true cause of the problem, I think it's a
mistake to blame the drive(s). There are many other potential
culprits -- OS, memory, power supply, etc.
FWIW, I've had good results with Maxtor drives.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:55 pm
Post subject: Re: The inferiority of Maxtor [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"CJT" wrote:
> FWIW, I've had good results with Maxtor drives.
So have I. It may be due to good cooling in my Dell PC's
case and the Kingwin mobile rack - the drives are never
warmer than body temp.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:45 am
Post subject: Re: The inferiority of Maxtor [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Move your hard drive to another, well behaved system.
Perform all tests on your hard drive. If they fail too, your drive is most
likely defective.
Make sure that jumpers set on a drive are default as per manufacturer info. >> Stay informed about: The inferiority of Maxtor |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:55 pm
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Previously Timothy Daniels <TDaniels.RemoveThis@nospamdot.com> wrote:
> "CJT" wrote:
>> FWIW, I've had good results with Maxtor drives.
> So have I. It may be due to good cooling in my Dell PC's
> case and the Kingwin mobile rack - the drives are never
> warmer than body temp.
I have had both: Good experiences when well-cooled and bad ones
when not well cooled. I think Maxtor overestimated how careful
PCs are designed today.
Arno >> Stay informed about: The inferiority of Maxtor |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:55 pm
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Arno Wagner wrote:
> Previously Timothy Daniels <TDaniels.TakeThisOut@nospamdot.com> wrote:
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>>"CJT" wrote:
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>>>FWIW, I've had good results with Maxtor drives.
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>> So have I. It may be due to good cooling in my Dell PC's
>>case and the Kingwin mobile rack - the drives are never
>>warmer than body temp.
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> I have had both: Good experiences when well-cooled and bad ones
> when not well cooled. I think Maxtor overestimated how careful
> PCs are designed today.
>
> Arno
Keeping a drive cool (not just Maxtor drives, either) is critical to
reliability and lifetime.
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minimize spam. Our true address is of the form che....TakeThisOut@prodigy.net. >> Stay informed about: The inferiority of Maxtor |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:55 pm
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CJT <abujlehc DeleteThis @prodigy.net> wrote
> Arno Wagner wrote
>> Timothy Daniels <TDaniels DeleteThis @nospamdot.com> wrote
>>> CJT wrote
>>>> FWIW, I've had good results with Maxtor drives.
>>> So have I. It may be due to good cooling in my Dell PC's
>>> case and the Kingwin mobile rack - the drives are never
>>> warmer than body temp.
>> I have had both: Good experiences when well-cooled and bad ones
>> when not well cooled. I think Maxtor overestimated how careful
>> PCs are designed today.
> Keeping a drive cool (not just Maxtor drives, either) is critical to
> reliability and lifetime.
Not as cool as the maxtors need to be.
I doubt it was designed as arno is suggesting, bet maxtor
just designed them too badly, just like they clearly did with
their external drives and Dell did with their low end notebooks. >> Stay informed about: The inferiority of Maxtor |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:55 pm
Post subject: Re: The inferiority of Maxtor [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Previously CJT <abujlehc.TakeThisOut@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Arno Wagner wrote:
>> Previously Timothy Daniels <TDaniels.TakeThisOut@nospamdot.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"CJT" wrote:
>>>
>>>>FWIW, I've had good results with Maxtor drives.
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>>> So have I. It may be due to good cooling in my Dell PC's
>>>case and the Kingwin mobile rack - the drives are never
>>>warmer than body temp.
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>> I have had both: Good experiences when well-cooled and bad ones
>> when not well cooled. I think Maxtor overestimated how careful
>> PCs are designed today.
>>
>> Arno
> Keeping a drive cool (not just Maxtor drives, either) is critical to
> reliability and lifetime.
True. However Maxtor drives (at least the ones I own) seem to
get considerably hotter than the Seagate and especially the Samsung
drives I have.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:55 am
Post subject: Re: The inferiority of Maxtor [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Arno Wagner wrote:
> Previously CJT <abujlehc DeleteThis @prodigy.net> wrote:
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>>Arno Wagner wrote:
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>>>Previously Timothy Daniels <TDaniels DeleteThis @nospamdot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"CJT" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>FWIW, I've had good results with Maxtor drives.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> So have I. It may be due to good cooling in my Dell PC's
>>>>case and the Kingwin mobile rack - the drives are never
>>>>warmer than body temp.
>>>
>>>
>>>I have had both: Good experiences when well-cooled and bad ones
>>>when not well cooled. I think Maxtor overestimated how careful
>>>PCs are designed today.
>>>
>>>Arno
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>>Keeping a drive cool (not just Maxtor drives, either) is critical to
>>reliability and lifetime.
>
>
> True. However Maxtor drives (at least the ones I own) seem to
> get considerably hotter than the Seagate and especially the Samsung
> drives I have.
>
> Arno
>
a "seem to" and 3 bucks will just about get you a coffee these days
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:55 am
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Previously CJT <abujlehc.DeleteThis@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Arno Wagner wrote:
>> Previously CJT <abujlehc.DeleteThis@prodigy.net> wrote:
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>>>Arno Wagner wrote:
>>>
>>>>Previously Timothy Daniels <TDaniels.DeleteThis@nospamdot.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"CJT" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>FWIW, I've had good results with Maxtor drives.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So have I. It may be due to good cooling in my Dell PC's
>>>>>case and the Kingwin mobile rack - the drives are never
>>>>>warmer than body temp.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have had both: Good experiences when well-cooled and bad ones
>>>>when not well cooled. I think Maxtor overestimated how careful
>>>>PCs are designed today.
>>>>
>>>>Arno
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>>>Keeping a drive cool (not just Maxtor drives, either) is critical to
>>>reliability and lifetime.
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>>
>> True. However Maxtor drives (at least the ones I own) seem to
>> get considerably hotter than the Seagate and especially the Samsung
>> drives I have.
>>
>> Arno
>>
> a "seem to" and 3 bucks will just about get you a coffee these days
Well, I lost the sheet with my temperature measurements. However
it was somethink like a Maxtor drive failing from overtemperature
(i.e. > 70C) while a Samsung and a Seagate drive remained at < 35C
in the same usage situation.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:30 am
Post subject: Re: The SUPPOSED inferiority of Maxtor [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Beemer Biker" wrote:
> MaxStor is inferior, get over it.
That could very well be true. But since my PC's case
has such good cooling, my Maxtors have lasted 6 years
with no problems. In my PC (a Dell Dimension), a single
92mm diam case fan and the power supply fan exhaust
air out the back of the case, and the hard drives are
mounted low in the front, just inside the air intake. If Maxtors
have a reputation of overheating in more pooly designed
cases, great! It just makes Maxtor drives easier for me to
afford.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:55 pm
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Timothy Daniels <TDaniels.TakeThisOut@NoSpamDot.com> wrote:
> "Beemer Biker" wrote:
>> MaxStor is inferior, get over it.
>
> That could very well be true. But since my PC's case
> has such good cooling, my Maxtors have lasted 6 years
> with no problems. In my PC (a Dell Dimension), a single
> 92mm diam case fan and the power supply fan exhaust
> air out the back of the case, and the hard drives are
> mounted low in the front, just inside the air intake. If Maxtors
> have a reputation of overheating in more pooly designed
> cases, great! It just makes Maxtor drives easier for me to
> afford.
Drive pricing doesnt work like that. >> Stay informed about: The inferiority of Maxtor |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:55 pm
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"Rod Speed" wrote:
> Timothy Daniels wrote:
>> If Maxtors
>> have a reputation of overheating in more pooly designed
>> cases, great! It just makes Maxtor drives easier for me to
>> afford.
>
> Drive pricing doesnt work like that.
If retailers start dumping their stocks of a hard drive due
to its growing reputation for overheating failures, the price
will rise? Riiiiight.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:55 pm
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Previously Timothy Daniels <TDaniels RemoveThis @nospamdot.com> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" wrote:
>> Timothy Daniels wrote:
>>> If Maxtors
>>> have a reputation of overheating in more pooly designed
>>> cases, great! It just makes Maxtor drives easier for me to
>>> afford.
>>
>> Drive pricing doesnt work like that.
> If retailers start dumping their stocks of a hard drive due
> to its growing reputation for overheating failures, the price
> will rise? Riiiiight.
Unfortunately I have to agree with Rod here: Quality and price seem
only loosely coupled for computer equipment today. For HDDs there
seems to be no real relation at all.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:55 pm
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"Arno Wagner" wrote:
> Previously Timothy Daniels wrote:
>> If retailers start dumping their stocks of a hard drive due
>> to its growing reputation for overheating failures, the price
>> will rise? Riiiiight.
>
> Quality and price seem only loosely coupled for computer
> equipment today. For HDDs there seems to be no real
> relation at all.
That's because there's no real reputation at all. I'm sure
that in other forums Maxtor has a fine reputation. The reason
is that the buyer (individuals without resources to do
statistically meaningful testing) has to rely on ads and
anecdotal evidence. Corporate buyers, OTOH, are offered
"corporate" models to choose from which the manufacturers
feel would hold up better in such testing. All *I* really know
is that Dell chose to put Maxtor hard drives in its PCs when
I bought mine, and I haven't had a problem with it/them in
7 years of use. If Directron wants to dump 80GB 7200rpm
Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 10 hard drives for $52 (as they
did this weekend), fine with me. I hope they keep it up.
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