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Since: Jul 25, 2004 Posts: 11
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:15 pm
Post subject: Which monitor should I get? Archived from groups: comp>sys>ibm>pc>games>action, others (more info?)
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Hi - I need a monitor upgrade b4 DoomIII but I'm not sure what to get.
My budget was £200 so a good 19" CRT seemed obvious. (I've an ancient
17incher at present).
My budget has risen to £300 tops and now I have the choice of whether to go
LCD or not. I think I'd rather wait until the choice/quality of resolution
settings has improved and/or their price come down in the UK.
So here's what I'm thinking....
1. get the biggest CRT I can for the cash. (bigger surface area = lots of
graphical pleasure!?!)
This equates to the Samsung SM1100DF.
2. the following LCDs MAY have a low enough response time (16ms) but are
they good enough and/or is a 17" screen big enough?
(not a great choice in the UK for £300)
- AG Neovo F-17C (I haven't even heard of AG Neovo)
- Sony SDM-S73H
- LG Electronics L1720B
- Iiyama Prolite E431S (a touch over budget)
What should I do?
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Since: Oct 02, 2003 Posts: 28
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:15 pm
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If you are comfortable with CRT's, get a 19 inch CRT. Make sure it has a
good dot-pitch, and that it can run 1280x960 with at least 85 Hz, if not
higher.
A 17 inch LCD is not the same size as a 19 inch CRT. More like the same
size as a 18 inch CRT. The LCD is not as wide as a CRT, because it uses a
different aspect ratio.
LCD's are one area where you don't want to be penny pinching; you want one
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Since: May 23, 2004 Posts: 36
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:48 pm
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"Grumpycrab" <Grumpycrab RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What should I do?
I'd start by forgetting about a LCD. Response time is only one concern. In
the end the only plus about a LCD is the amount of space it free's up on
your desk. Everything else is a downer, viewing angle, cost per inch, dead
pixels, picture quality etc etc. Stick with CRT for gaming.
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Since: Jul 20, 2004 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:48 pm
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He's right you know.
Get a nice 21" Flat Screen CRT....yummy.
"Rocky" <Rocky.DeleteThis@GhostRecon.net> wrote in message
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> "Grumpycrab" <Grumpycrab.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2m54uhFiios3U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > What should I do?
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> I'd start by forgetting about a LCD. Response time is only one concern. In
> the end the only plus about a LCD is the amount of space it free's up on
> your desk. Everything else is a downer, viewing angle, cost per inch, dead
> pixels, picture quality etc etc. Stick with CRT for gaming.
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> Rocky
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Since: Jul 20, 2004 Posts: 24
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Which monitor should I get? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:09:28 GMT, "Julian Knott"
<julianknott.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>He's right you know.
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>Get a nice 21" Flat Screen CRT....yummy.
I was in a computer store about two weeks ago and they were selling
these 21" CRT monitors that were labelled "Sun Microsystems" (Sony
aperature grille tubes - true flat) for $360.00 CAD. Great deal.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Which monitor should I get? |
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Since: Nov 12, 2003 Posts: 649
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:48 pm
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"Julian Knott" <julianknott.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Get a nice 21" Flat Screen CRT....yummy.
You said it, partner. The best choice for the high-end home user,
IMO. LCD's may be worth getting once they're so cheap that they're
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Since: Nov 12, 2003 Posts: 649
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:48 pm
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Mark Steen <mark.RemoveThis@no.email> wrote:
>I was in a computer store about two weeks ago and they were selling
>these 21" CRT monitors that were labelled "Sun Microsystems" (Sony
>aperature grille tubes - true flat) for $360.00 CAD. Great deal.
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Since: Jul 20, 2004 Posts: 24
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:48 pm
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:53:12 -0500, chrisv <chrisv RemoveThis @nospam.invalid>
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>How do you know they weren't Mitsubishi AG tubes?
Because the store label on the monitors said Sony tubes and the
salesman also told me they were Sony aperature grille tubes. Unless
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Since: Jan 09, 2004 Posts: 935
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:13 pm
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Mark Steen wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:09:28 GMT, "Julian Knott"
> <julianknott RemoveThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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>>He's right you know.
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>>Get a nice 21" Flat Screen CRT....yummy.
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> I was in a computer store about two weeks ago and they were selling
> these 21" CRT monitors that were labelled "Sun Microsystems" (Sony
> aperature grille tubes - true flat) for $360.00 CAD. Great deal.
Just make sure that they actually work with PC video. Sun Microsystems is
one of the few computer manufacturers that is not part of the Wintel world
and they have in the past had their own video standards--whether that is
still the case or not I don't know.
Regardless of whose tube they use, those will if they accept PC video be
excellent monitors.
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--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
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Since: Jul 20, 2004 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:48 pm
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> > What should I do?
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> I'd start by forgetting about a LCD. Response time is only one concern. In
> the end the only plus about a LCD is the amount of space it free's up on
> your desk. Everything else is a downer, viewing angle, cost per inch, dead
> pixels, picture quality etc etc. Stick with CRT for gaming.
>
...and so say's the guy who ain't got one.
Viewing angle. Not an issue unless you play your FPS games while hiding
behind the desk or something.
Dead pixels. Less common all the time. None on my nearly 2 year old LG 17".
Picture quality. Fantastic. 2D and 3D is sharper and more vibrant.
No heat issues and all that free space on your desk.
Cost of a good 17" is now under £300.
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Since: Jul 20, 2004 Posts: 24
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:48 pm
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:48:27 +0100, "DapperDan"
<dapperdan RemoveThis @nthellworld.com> wrote:
>..and so say's the guy who ain't got one.
I've got both and I much prefer the CRT for gaming. Mostly because I
can run at various resolutions without interpolation like you have to
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Since: Aug 18, 2004 Posts: 27
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:05 am
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"Grumpycrab" <Grumpycrab DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2m54uhFiios3U1@uni-berlin.de...
> Hi - I need a monitor upgrade b4 DoomIII but I'm not sure what to get.
> My budget was £200 so a good 19" CRT seemed obvious. (I've an ancient
> 17incher at present).
>
> My budget has risen to £300 tops and now I have the choice of whether to
go
> LCD or not. I think I'd rather wait until the choice/quality of
resolution
> settings has improved and/or their price come down in the UK.
>
> So here's what I'm thinking....
>
> 1. get the biggest CRT I can for the cash. (bigger surface area = lots of
> graphical pleasure!?!)
> This equates to the Samsung SM1100DF.
>
> 2. the following LCDs MAY have a low enough response time (16ms) but are
> they good enough and/or is a 17" screen big enough?
> (not a great choice in the UK for £300)
I'd say that the native resolution poses just as many problems as response
time but is often passed over.
> What should I do?
Mitsubishi Diamondtron -
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=956007514&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=43907" target="_blank">http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=956007514&action...hvd19wc</a>
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Since: Oct 02, 2003 Posts: 28
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:05 am
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"Jamie_Manic" <mmmm...pork rind> wrote in message
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> I'd say that the native resolution poses just as many problems as response
> time but is often passed over.
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Only in a handful of games. If you are really into those handful of
games, though, it can be a little distressing. Most LCD's now days do a
good job of interpolating images to different resolutions, although the
results are not as good as the native resolution. The main issue is that
the aspect ratio of the monitor is different than a CRT, but this mostly
affects playing action games, and even then a person might not notice it.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Which monitor should I get? |
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Since: Jun 18, 2004 Posts: 70
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:09 am
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"Grumpycrab" <Grumpycrab RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi - I need a monitor upgrade b4 DoomIII but I'm not sure what to get.
> My budget was £200 so a good 19" CRT seemed obvious. (I've an ancient
> 17incher at present).
>
> My budget has risen to £300 tops and now I have the choice of whether to
go
> LCD or not. I think I'd rather wait until the choice/quality of
resolution
> settings has improved and/or their price come down in the UK.
>
> So here's what I'm thinking....
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My big monitor just bit the biscuit but it is under extended warranty and
now undergoing repairs. Otherwise I'd be in the same boat as you looking
for something new.
I had the chance a couple of weeks ago to try out a Samsung 955DF and I
was rather impressed. Personally, I've never owned a true flat screen
monitor, but I was definitely struck by the sharpness and color fidelity
of the 955DF. If their larger DF series CRT's live up to that standard,
I'd say they would be a real treat!
I must admit that an LCD would be tempting, but I don't think it's wise to
pinch pennies when shopping for such a display. Right now, I'm not in
agreement with the pricing of some of the more decent brand names with
16ms and 12ms response times. For example, the 12ms Samsung 172X is going
for $750 Canadian (plus sales tax) and I'm not at all thrilled with that.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Which monitor should I get? |
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Since: Jul 20, 2004 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:32 am
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> >..and so say's the guy who ain't got one.
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> I've got both and I much prefer the CRT for gaming. Mostly because I
> can run at various resolutions without interpolation like you have to
> do on an LCD, plus LCD has poor contrast ratio.
500-1 is a pretty decent contrast ratio.
Plus, who has to mess about with refresh rates all the time ? Not, I.
Oh, and look. I just picked my monitor up with one hand and cleaned the dust
off underneath it .
Try that, Hercules  <!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Which monitor should I get? |
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