nVidia loses XBox-2 contract to ATi

Yes, ATI #1!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Mark Leuck" <m..leuck.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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 > Let em have it, I'm sure while they made tons of money at it Nvidia got a
 > lot of headaches from Microsoft
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  > > nVidia is not going to make the graphics processor for XBox 2.
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  > > Apparently ATi is.
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"Mark Leuck" <m..leuck.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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 > Let em have it, I'm sure while they made tons of money at it Nvidia got a
 > lot of headaches from Microsoft

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:10:27 GMT, "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck.DeleteThis@comcast.net>
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 >Let em have it, I'm sure while they made tons of money at it Nvidia got a
 >lot of headaches from Microsoft

Well, I'm sure that after the honeymoon was over, M$ tried to screw
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:53:25 GMT, chrisv <chrisv.RemoveThis@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

 >On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:10:27 GMT, "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck.RemoveThis@comcast.net>
 >wrote:
 >
  >>Let em have it, I'm sure while they made tons of money at it Nvidia got a
  >>lot of headaches from Microsoft
 >
 >Well, I'm sure that after the honeymoon was over, M$ tried to screw
 >them in the wrong hole, like they do all their "partners".

The impression I got was that there was considerable attempted
screwing by both parties. Microsoft by trying to arbitrate a
lower price for the chips, and Nvidia by trying to use their influence
to steer DX9 towards their hardware.


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"Bill" <not DeleteThis @home.com> wrote in message
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 > "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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  > > Let em have it, I'm sure while they made tons of money at it Nvidia got
a
  > > lot of headaches from Microsoft
 >
 > Maybe its the other way around?
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Microsoft want want is effectively a PC at the price of a gamestation. To
achieve this they expect the hardware supplier to subsedise the hardware and
recieve a porportion of the license game makers pay microsoft. I'm sure this
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"Bill" <not.RemoveThis@home.com> wrote in message
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 > "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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  > > Let em have it, I'm sure while they made tons of money at it Nvidia got
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  > > lot of headaches from Microsoft
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 > Maybe its the other way around?

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I guess I'll hold of on buying that XBox just yet.

I kinda figured that would happen. NVidia seems to have made the same
mistake that 3dfx made--they think they can slap their name on any old POS
and people will buy it for no other reason than it's NVidia. It didn't work
for 3dfx, and it won't work for NVidia, either. Let's hope ATI doesn't fall
into that trap

I wonder what ATI intends to do as far as having the older games be
compatible on the new system.

At least the good thing about this is that now maybe NVidia can consider
making a P4-compatible version of the nForce now that Microsoft no longer
has that locked up.

Guess that means GameCube is dead now, huh?
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 >
 > Apparently ATi is.
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"Lawrence Wilson" <lwilson DeleteThis @swfla.rr.com> wrote in message news:<E2S%a.50555$qg3.2864970@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
 > I wonder what ATI intends to do as far as having the older games be
 > compatible on the new system.

The game makers are obviously using DirectX on the Xbox, and they'll
continue to use it on Xbox2; if they use DirectX it doesn't matter if
they're using Nvidia or ATI. There isn't a whole lot to be gained in
trying to go direct to hardware rather than through the DirectX API.
Afterall, the only real reason for going direct to hardware in the
past has been because the API's sucked for gaming, but DirectX's
entire reason for being is to be a gaming API mostly.

 > At least the good thing about this is that now maybe NVidia can consider
 > making a P4-compatible version of the nForce now that Microsoft no longer
 > has that locked up.

Nvidia isn't being constrained from building a P4 Nforce by Microsoft,
it's being constrained by Intel. Microsoft could care less what else
it uses that chipset for. The original Xbox was supposed to use an
Athlon or Duron processor to power it rather than a P3; Intel stole
the contract out from under AMD at the last moment, much to AMD's
eventual joy. Since Intel was so persistent in even pursuing the
original Xbox contract, it now has to supply the next one too.
Speculation now centres on using a Pentium-M processor (Centrino)
next.

 > Guess that means GameCube is dead now, huh?

Not necessarily, the GameCube uses a different chipset than what would
be used in Xbox. Even today it doesn't directly compete against Xbox,
it's far less powerful. Microsoft won't care if ATI keeps supplying
Nintendo with more of this slow chipset.

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On 14 Aug 2003 14:37:39 -0700, nvidianv55.DeleteThis@mail.com (NV55) wrote:

 >nVidia is not going to make the graphics processor for XBox 2.
 >
 >Apparently ATi is.

And your point is???

Haven't it occured to you and others that perhaps when M$ went
knocking on Nvidia's door saying "er - ya know that $26million dollars
we fucked you out of? (even thou we have billions in the bank) You
wouldnt mind helping us on the XBOX2 would ya?"

Doing business with M$ = bad anal sex.

Because of the vastly different Vid systems of ATI & Nvidia - there
could be ISSUES of "rights" over the core. Remember, the XBOX North &
south bridges and of course the GPU are Nvidia's.

The XBox2 may not be 100% compatible... especially if the games hit
the hardware - which *IS* the point of a console.


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Darthy <DarthGates.TakeThisOut@microsoftsucksass.com> wrote:
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Funny sig. You should go to the URL listed in my sig below, if you want
the real skinny on Palladium and it's big sibling, TCPA.

J.

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:06:08 GMT, Darthy
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 >The XBox2 may not be 100% compatible... especially if the games hit
 >the hardware - which *IS* the point of a console.

Hrum? All XBox games are DirectX. They will be as compatible as
games are now on Nvidia and ATI hardware on PCs.

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On 18 Aug 2003 11:15:56 -0700, bbbl67 RemoveThis @yahoo.com (Yousuf Khan) wrote:

 >The original Xbox was supposed to use an
 >Athlon or Duron processor to power it rather than a P3; Intel stole
 >the contract out from under AMD at the last moment, much to AMD's
 >eventual joy.

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 03:19:37 GMT, ELVIS2000 <elvis2000.TakeThisOut@nospam.com>
wrote:

 >On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:06:08 GMT, Darthy
 ><DarthGates.TakeThisOut@microsoftsucksass.com> wrote:
 >
  >>The XBox2 may not be 100% compatible... especially if the games hit
  >>the hardware - which *IS* the point of a console.
 >
 >Hrum? All XBox games are DirectX. They will be as compatible as
 >games are now on Nvidia and ATI hardware on PCs.

N-O no. Many XBox games use advanced features on the custom NVidia
chip that don't necessarily exist on ATI.

Even on PC it is quite possible to make Direct3D games which work
great on one 3D card and poorly or not at all on another, and I bet in
XBox games this is even more pronounced. So DirectX is not the answer
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