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(Msg. 16) Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:39 am
Post subject: Re: nVidia loses XBox-2 contract to ATi [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"chrisv" <chrisv.TakeThisOut@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 18 Aug 2003 11:15:56 -0700, bbbl67.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (Yousuf Khan) wrote:
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> >The original Xbox was supposed to use an
> >Athlon or Duron processor to power it rather than a P3; Intel stole
> >the contract out from under AMD at the last moment, much to AMD's
> >eventual joy.
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> Explain this "joy" statement, please.
They didn't have to sell processors for a couple of bucks each to Microsoft
(literally).
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:46 am
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 03:19:37 GMT, ELVIS2000 <elvis2000.RemoveThis@nospam.com>
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>On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:06:08 GMT, Darthy
><DarthGates.RemoveThis@microsoftsucksass.com> wrote:
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>>The XBox2 may not be 100% compatible... especially if the games hit
>>the hardware - which *IS* the point of a console.
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>Hrum? All XBox games are DirectX. They will be as compatible as
>games are now on Nvidia and ATI hardware on PCs.
They are DirectX to a degree, but you can not, for example, take an
XBox game and run it on a PC without porting it. The reason being
that the XBox allows some direct hardware access for performance
reasons. Since every single XBox out there has essentially identical
hardware, they can do this, while on a PC this is not possible.
However, the next generation of XBox will be different. The DirectX
stuff will be fine, but the direct hardware access stuff could be
problematic. Microsoft will probably try to accommodate this in
software, and likely they will be successful for 99%+ of all games,
but there may be the odd XBox game that just won't play on the XBox2.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:53 pm
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"Tony Hill" <hilla_nospam_20.TakeThisOut@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> They are DirectX to a degree, but you can not, for example, take an
> XBox game and run it on a PC without porting it. The reason being
> that the XBox allows some direct hardware access for performance
> reasons. Since every single XBox out there has essentially identical
> hardware, they can do this, while on a PC this is not possible.
Do you know for a fact that Xbox games are directly accessing the hardware?
From what I know about it, the OS on Xbox is a variant of Windows 2000, so
it has a Hardware Abstraction Layer protecting all direct hardware access
channels. Even the DirectX API goes through HAL (albeit as a peer of HAL,
since they are both parts of the OS).
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:34 pm
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:53:38 GMT, "Yousuf Khan"
<bbbl67.spam DeleteThis @yahoo.com.nospam> wrote:
>"Tony Hill" <hilla_nospam_20 DeleteThis @yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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>> They are DirectX to a degree, but you can not, for example, take an
>> XBox game and run it on a PC without porting it. The reason being
>> that the XBox allows some direct hardware access for performance
>> reasons. Since every single XBox out there has essentially identical
>> hardware, they can do this, while on a PC this is not possible.
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>Do you know for a fact that Xbox games are directly accessing the hardware?
>From what I know about it, the OS on Xbox is a variant of Windows 2000, so
>it has a Hardware Abstraction Layer protecting all direct hardware access
>channels. Even the DirectX API goes through HAL (albeit as a peer of HAL,
>since they are both parts of the OS).
I've been told directly by XBox developers that you can definitely get
some direct access to hardware if you so desire.
Besides, it should be obvious that there is some incompatibility here.
If it were straight DirectX you could run XBox games on a PC (and vice
versa) without recompiling, which is definitely NOT the case. Based
on DirectX and Win2K, yes, but it is NOT the same DirectX and Win2K
that we use on PCs because it was designed for consoles, and one trick
with consoles is allowing a certain degree of direct hardware access.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 10:04 pm
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:53 am
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On 14 Aug 2003 14:37:39 -0700, nvidianv55.RemoveThis@mail.com (NV55) wrote:
>nVidia is not going to make the graphics processor for XBox 2.
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>Apparently ATi is.
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>http://news.com.com/2100-1043_3-5063661.html?tag=fd_top
>http://www.gamers.com/news/1443671
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 1:01 am
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"Blade" <Blade DeleteThis @blade.com> wrote in message
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> On 14 Aug 2003 14:37:39 -0700, nvidianv55 DeleteThis @mail.com (NV55) wrote:
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> >nVidia is not going to make the graphics processor for XBox 2.
> >
> >Apparently ATi is.
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> >http://news.com.com/2100-1043_3-5063661.html?tag=fd_top
> >http://www.gamers.com/news/1443671
> >http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/030814/145156_1.html
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Wow - there's a big contract lost.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:14 am
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"Tom" <hhh.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Blade" <Blade.DeleteThis@blade.com> wrote in message
> news:eaakmvccdq8c8jmobkdbjfq835mfsbmf58@4ax.com...
> > On 14 Aug 2003 14:37:39 -0700, nvidianv55.DeleteThis@mail.com (NV55) wrote:
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> > >nVidia is not going to make the graphics processor for XBox 2.
> > >
> > >Apparently ATi is.
> > >
> > >
> > >http://news.com.com/2100-1043_3-5063661.html?tag=fd_top
> > >http://www.gamers.com/news/1443671
> > >http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/030814/145156_1.html
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> Wow - there's a big contract lost.
>
> Have xbox sales reached double digits yet ?
Well, it's kicking the crap out of the Gamecube, and it's taking a chunk of
PS2's market every day. Considering the PS2 had a 1 year head start (7 year
if you count the fact that PS2 plays PS1 games) and that's pretty damn
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:16 am
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> > Have xbox sales reached double digits yet ?
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> Well, it's kicking the crap out of the Gamecube, and it's taking a chunk
of
> PS2's market every day. Considering the PS2 had a 1 year head start (7
year
> if you count the fact that PS2 plays PS1 games) and that's pretty damn
> impressive. The Xbox is a FAR better machine.
Kicking the crap out of the gamecube in North America, perhaps - but last
time I checked they were both going to hit about 10 million sales worldwide,
and the gamecube had a slight lead. To put this in perspective even the
dreamcast almost sold that many. The PS2 is around 60 million worldwide so
it wouldn't appear as though the xbox *or* gamecube is taking much of a
chunk out of sales.
That being said, I'm not a PS2 fan as it has crappy hardware and drove my
poor dreamcast into the ground..
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:27 am
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:14:25 GMT, "Pug Fugley2" <nosir.TakeThisOut@not.com> wrote:
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>"Tom" <hhh.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Blade" <Blade.TakeThisOut@blade.com> wrote in message
>> news:eaakmvccdq8c8jmobkdbjfq835mfsbmf58@4ax.com...
>> > On 14 Aug 2003 14:37:39 -0700, nvidianv55.TakeThisOut@mail.com (NV55) wrote:
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>> > >nVidia is not going to make the graphics processor for XBox 2.
>> > >
>> > >Apparently ATi is.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >http://news.com.com/2100-1043_3-5063661.html?tag=fd_top
>> > >http://www.gamers.com/news/1443671
>> > >http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/030814/145156_1.html
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>> Wow - there's a big contract lost.
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>> Have xbox sales reached double digits yet ?
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>Well, it's kicking the crap out of the Gamecube, and it's taking a chunk of
>PS2's market every day. Considering the PS2 had a 1 year head start (7 year
>if you count the fact that PS2 plays PS1 games) and that's pretty damn
>impressive. The Xbox is a FAR better machine.
>
>
I'd better buy some nVidia stock tomorrow. Doesn't the Xbox use
nVidia chips ?
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:32 am
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:14:25 GMT, "Pug Fugley2" <nosir.RemoveThis@not.com> wrote:
> The Xbox is a FAR better machine.
Thrill. It's being subsidized by the Evil Empire, using their
monopoly money to buy-into yet more markets.
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