asus p2b-s adaptec 7890 problem?

"`sNaKe" <liedrig.TakeThisOut@web.de> wrote in message
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 > Hi all,
 >
 > I have a problem with my p2b-s rev. 1.03 mainboard. I updated the bios
 > to 1014.003 because I installed a 40GB IDE harddisk. but right after
 > the flash the onboard scsi controller is somehow deactivated. there is
 > no "press ctrl+a to..." message at startup anymore. the device itself
 > and its attached drives isn't present under windows, too. I saved the
 > old bios (1009) before the flash and I flashed it back, but the
 > controller is still not available. the scsi enable/disable jumper on
 > the board is enabled and scsi bios is enabled within "pci & pnp
 > config".
 >
 > used hardware:
 > p3-500
 > 256mb sdram
 > geforce ddr
 > 350w power supply
 >
 > please help!
I'm afraid you have probably destroyed the BIOS on the Adaptec card. There
used to be a warning on the Adaptec site, to remove some of their cards
from particular motherboards, before attempting a motherboard BIOS flash,
because on some motherboards, the addresses used, are the same as those
used by the cards...

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`sNaKe wrote:
 > Hi all,
 >
 > I have a problem with my p2b-s rev. 1.03 mainboard. I updated the bios
 > to 1014.003 because I installed a 40GB IDE harddisk. but right after
 > the flash the onboard scsi controller is somehow deactivated. there is
 > no "press ctrl+a to..." message at startup anymore. the device itself
 > and its attached drives isn't present under windows, too. I saved the
 > old bios (1009) before the flash and I flashed it back, but the
 > controller is still not available. the scsi enable/disable jumper on
 > the board is enabled and scsi bios is enabled within "pci & pnp
 > config".
 >
 > used hardware:
 > p3-500
 > 256mb sdram
 > geforce ddr
 > 350w power supply
 >
 > please help!

Have you tried pressing ctrl+a while it is booting up? Even if the
message is turned off the controller should still respond to the key
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Roger Hamlett wrote:

 > "`sNaKe" <liedrig.DeleteThis@web.de> wrote in message
 > news:be75ce67.0408030606.5fdb08fe@posting.google.com...
 >
  >>Hi all,
  >>
  >>I have a problem with my p2b-s rev. 1.03 mainboard. I updated the bios
  >>to 1014.003 because I installed a 40GB IDE harddisk. but right after
  >>the flash the onboard scsi controller is somehow deactivated. there is
  >>no "press ctrl+a to..." message at startup anymore. the device itself
  >>and its attached drives isn't present under windows, too. I saved the
  >>old bios (1009) before the flash and I flashed it back, but the
  >>controller is still not available. the scsi enable/disable jumper on
  >>the board is enabled and scsi bios is enabled within "pci & pnp
  >>config".
  >>
  >>used hardware:
  >>p3-500
  >>256mb sdram
  >>geforce ddr
  >>350w power supply
  >>
  >>please help!
 >
 > I'm afraid you have probably destroyed the BIOS on the Adaptec card. There
 > used to be a warning on the Adaptec site, to remove some of their cards
 > from particular motherboards, before attempting a motherboard BIOS flash,
 > because on some motherboards, the addresses used, are the same as those
 > used by the cards...
 >
 > Best Wishes
 >
 >
He can not destroy the bios for the controller. It is built into the
board so it can not be removed. If he flashed the wrong bios, i.e. one
for a P2B rather than a P2B-S the controller wouldn't work but would
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Paul wrote:

 > In article <be75ce67.0408030606.5fdb08fe.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>,
 > liedrig.TakeThisOut@web.de (`sNaKe) wrote:
 >
 >
  >>Hi all,
  >>
  >>I have a problem with my p2b-s rev. 1.03 mainboard. I updated the bios
  >>to 1014.003 because I installed a 40GB IDE harddisk. but right after
  >>the flash the onboard scsi controller is somehow deactivated. there is
  >>no "press ctrl+a to..." message at startup anymore. the device itself
  >>and its attached drives isn't present under windows, too. I saved the
  >>old bios (1009) before the flash and I flashed it back, but the
  >>controller is still not available. the scsi enable/disable jumper on
  >>the board is enabled and scsi bios is enabled within "pci & pnp
  >>config".
  >>
  >>used hardware:
  >>p3-500
  >>256mb sdram
  >>geforce ddr
  >>350w power supply
  >>
  >>please help!
 >
 >
 > After a BIOS flash, try "Load Setup Defaults" in the BIOS.
 >
 > If still no positive results, try the "Clear CMOS" procedure,
 > _unplugging_ the computer before doing the procedure. It is
 > in the jumper section of the manual - see "Clear real time clock
 > (RTC)" for details. Apparently the board uses two solder points
 > and you short them with the blade of a slot-type screwdriver tip.
 >
 > HTH,
 > Paul

Second that - I've flashed a gazillion of these boards to 1014b3 and
never seen this problem. The OP *should* see a CMOS checksum error on
the first reboot after flashing (because 1014b3 updates the SCSI BIOS as
well), but that should clear after a second reboot - without loading
setup defaults or clearing CMOS. This has to be a CMOS issue.

I find the solder points difficult to use and unreliable - a better
procedure is to disconnect the power cord, remove the battery, and short
the battery contacts with a screwdriver for 10 seconds. Check that the
BIOS clock has been reset to 1980 to verify it worked.

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thanks for the responses, but meanwhile i tried all mentioned above.

- clear cmos
- load bios or setup defaults
- hitting a 100 times ctrl+a while startup with no result
- verified that it is really a p2b-s bios
- no errors were found else

but there is one thing i found out: the chip on the board labeled "aic
38600" has right after power on a very(!) high temperature... i think
the board is defective somehow
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`sNaKe schrieb:

 > but there is one thing i found out: the chip on the board labeled "aic
 > 38600" has right after power on a very(!) high temperature... i think
 > the board is defective somehow

Indeed the SCSI chip burning out is among the more frequent failure
causes for the P2B-S. (You're lucky the rest of the board is still
working, this can block the whole PCI bus.) I have no idea why, maybe
the power supply design is messed up or the chips themselves are
unreliable. Hmm, the AIC3860 you say? That's the bridge chip for SE
SCSI. You /might/ be able to regain access to the LVD part by
unsoldering the Vcc leg of the IC, but that's really something for the
skilled technician.
BTW, haven't you saved the old BIOS? However, I assume that the SCSI
chip stopping working after the flash was just more or less a
coincidence, or maybe the contained SCSI BIOS is more sensitive to a
failed SE part (so that the bridge chip had been defective for a while
already which only now surfaced due to the different BIOS).

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In article <cer3kc$u0i$02$1@news.t-online.com>, Stephan Grossklass
<sgrokla-nospam04q2 RemoveThis @yahoo.de> wrote:

 > `sNaKe schrieb:
 >
  > > but there is one thing i found out: the chip on the board labeled "aic
  > > 38600" has right after power on a very(!) high temperature... i think
  > > the board is defective somehow
 >
 > Indeed the SCSI chip burning out is among the more frequent failure
 > causes for the P2B-S. (You're lucky the rest of the board is still
 > working, this can block the whole PCI bus.) I have no idea why, maybe
 > the power supply design is messed up or the chips themselves are
 > unreliable. Hmm, the AIC3860 you say? That's the bridge chip for SE
 > SCSI. You /might/ be able to regain access to the LVD part by
 > unsoldering the Vcc leg of the IC, but that's really something for the
 > skilled technician.
 > BTW, haven't you saved the old BIOS? However, I assume that the SCSI
 > chip stopping working after the flash was just more or less a
 > coincidence, or maybe the contained SCSI BIOS is more sensitive to a
 > failed SE part (so that the bridge chip had been defective for a while
 > already which only now surfaced due to the different BIOS).
 >
 > Stephan

Some chips on a motherboard have multiple power rails on them,
and the chips may also have a sequence requirement for those rails.
I generally don't see a lot of sequencing stuff (MOSFETs) used on
Asus boards, to limit which rail comes up first. (But if you look
at an Intel reference schematic, you'll see more logic on there
than on an Asus board, to control sequencing or back-feed).

All it takes is drawing a lot of current through a parasitic
diode path, in excess of the latchup current spec, and a chip can be
turned into a molten mess. There are also micro-latchup cases, where
smaller portions of circuitry are involved. Some of these are
survivable. (Latchup - PNPN SCR junction formed where none was
intended. SCR conducts current until power is shut off, and then
it has a chance to recover.)

I had a chip once, that appeared to be dead to the world. Couldn't
get it to budge at reset. Left the PCB overnight, came in the next
morning, and the chip ran as if nothing had happened. Saw the same
thing on a couple of other boards. I eventually figured out what was
wrong, and the symptoms I was seeing were another manifestation of
latchup (the minor kind).

The meltdown kind are generally fatal - because you usually cannot
turn off the power before the damage is done. Since a PC power supply
has so much reserve power, whatever the chip wants, it gets.

If the Adaptec chip is a ball grid array, you'd have to blow torch
it off the board, to disconnect VCC A place that builds
electronic boards, will have the necessary hot air gun and fittings,
to remove such a bad IC and allow the rest of the board to
continue to be used. Unless you live in Taiwan, the work won't be
done cheaply.

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Paul wrote:
 > In article <cer3kc$u0i$02$1@news.t-online.com>, Stephan Grossklass
 > <sgrokla-nospam04q2 DeleteThis @yahoo.de> wrote:
 >
 >
  >>`sNaKe schrieb:
  >>
  >>
   >>>but there is one thing i found out: the chip on the board labeled "aic
   >>>38600" has right after power on a very(!) high temperature... i think
   >>>the board is defective somehow
  >>
  >>Indeed the SCSI chip burning out is among the more frequent failure
  >>causes for the P2B-S. (You're lucky the rest of the board is still
  >>working, this can block the whole PCI bus.) I have no idea why, maybe
  >>the power supply design is messed up or the chips themselves are
  >>unreliable. Hmm, the AIC3860 you say? That's the bridge chip for SE
  >>SCSI. You /might/ be able to regain access to the LVD part by
  >>unsoldering the Vcc leg of the IC, but that's really something for the
  >>skilled technician.
  >>BTW, haven't you saved the old BIOS? However, I assume that the SCSI
  >>chip stopping working after the flash was just more or less a
  >>coincidence, or maybe the contained SCSI BIOS is more sensitive to a
  >>failed SE part (so that the bridge chip had been defective for a while
  >>already which only now surfaced due to the different BIOS).
  >>
  >>Stephan
 >
 >
 > Some chips on a motherboard have multiple power rails on them,
 > and the chips may also have a sequence requirement for those rails.
 > I generally don't see a lot of sequencing stuff (MOSFETs) used on
 > Asus boards, to limit which rail comes up first. (But if you look
 > at an Intel reference schematic, you'll see more logic on there
 > than on an Asus board, to control sequencing or back-feed).
 >
 > All it takes is drawing a lot of current through a parasitic
 > diode path, in excess of the latchup current spec, and a chip can be
 > turned into a molten mess. There are also micro-latchup cases, where
 > smaller portions of circuitry are involved. Some of these are
 > survivable. (Latchup - PNPN SCR junction formed where none was
 > intended. SCR conducts current until power is shut off, and then
 > it has a chance to recover.)
 >
 > I had a chip once, that appeared to be dead to the world. Couldn't
 > get it to budge at reset. Left the PCB overnight, came in the next
 > morning, and the chip ran as if nothing had happened. Saw the same
 > thing on a couple of other boards. I eventually figured out what was
 > wrong, and the symptoms I was seeing were another manifestation of
 > latchup (the minor kind).
 >
 > The meltdown kind are generally fatal - because you usually cannot
 > turn off the power before the damage is done. Since a PC power supply
 > has so much reserve power, whatever the chip wants, it gets.
 >
 > If the Adaptec chip is a ball grid array, you'd have to blow torch
 > it off the board, to disconnect VCC A place that builds
 > electronic boards, will have the necessary hot air gun and fittings,
 > to remove such a bad IC and allow the rest of the board to
 > continue to be used. Unless you live in Taiwan, the work won't be
 > done cheaply.
 >
 > Paul

There are two Adaptec chips on the P2B-S/DS - the AIC7890 is a BGA
device, but the AIC3860 (which appears to be the OP's problem) is a QFP.
It's nearly impossible to replace on the P2B-DS due to a cramped
location, but much more accessible on the P2B-S. Probably not worth the
effort to repair (I've done it once, not sure I want to repeat the
feat), however it would be interesting to test Stephan's theory that the
LVD segment may be still be usable once the SE bridge is out of the picture.

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