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eggbtr

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:30 pm
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First place the motherboard on a piece of cardboard. Then put the memory
and the CPU in the motherboard. Then connect the power supply to the
motherboard and plug the power supply to the wall. Take a screw driver
and SHORT the 2 pins on the motherboard that connect to the power-on
button. If the motherboard is good it should start up and also beep.
You can connect a video card a keyboard and a mouse if you want to see
the messages from the BIOS. The computer should start up and not boot
without a drive attached or an operating system. However, the BIOS
should be able to cycle through and give you an error message.

If you assemble the computer and the motherboard is bad you will waste a
lot of time and have to take it apart.

forumposter32 wrote:
 > I’m building a computer so I’m wondering if I should connect
 > everything at the same time and just boot up. Or, is it way better to
 > do plug in one device at a time?
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:55 am
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On 7 Jun 2005 22:35:42 -0400, forumposter32
<UseLinkToEmail DeleteThis @HardwareForumz.com> wrote:


  > > Well I'd ideally be that methodical but I usually just test
  > > the minimum, the board functions outside a case then when it
  > > comes time to mount the board, I do finish up with all parts
  > > already acquired at same time- though some shipments don't
  > > come in at the same time and it's good to get as much as
  > > possible tested (working) in case there's a need to RMA
  > > part(s).
 >
 >OK, if I do plug and test everything one at a time, how do you TEST
 >things once they are plugged in? (I haven’t plugged in the computer
 >because my keyboard has not arrived and I am still house-sitting.)

Well I suppose I'd get a keyboard... the situation may vary
as I have sufficient spare parts to do this, I only
mentioned what "I" do. As for how to test, first and
foremost you test the basic functions- that they are as
expected. Some things I've become more critical of are
capacitor temps, onboard audio quality (though I am
particularly picky about audio sometimes, I build my own
audio amps too as a hobby). Even so, anyone should find
noise coming out of the headphone jack unacceptible when
there is nothing "playing", even when the inputs are muted.

Other gotchas are northbridge fans- expect them to fail if
they don't turn pretty slowly... you can mod them but then
the warranty is gone- depends what kind of owner or builder
you are if you choose to try to make more reliable systems
or choose to preserve warranties... each path has merits,
though I suppose some mods are reversible and undetectible
later, providing the mod itself didn't cause problems
leading to failure (I'd not suggest somone should pay for an
unrelated manufacturer's design or parts mistake but on the
other hand if someone replaces (for example,) their video
card heatsink and it ends up overheating the card to the
point where the caps pop- they shouldn't just put the
original fan back on and RMA it, to create the appearance
that they'd not modified it in the interim).

Run memory tests, CPU stress tests, take voltages and temp
readings. ZIP or RAR some huge files and check integrity.
Benchmark the drives, touch-test parts for thermal problems.
Examine the board under a strong light- if something looks
wrong, keep it in mind and be sure to more thoroughly test
(what seems to be) the related subcircuit/function. Systems
being quite complex, this can vary- you do what "you" can to
be sure you're accepting a product that works as advertised
and that you continue to be willing to accept the purchase
price for (it's value).

Plug a "thing" into every port and see that they work.
Check the system clock when you start and compare it two
days later to see if it's accurate enough. Take battery
voltage reading- some things may not be worth an RMA though,
a battery is $2, missing USB dongle is $5, damaged CD is
almost non-relevant as I always use the newest drivers
downloaded from the chipset manufacturers, only falling back
to motherboard manufacturers' drivers when necessary.

I also like to loop 3DMark (whichever version is appropriate
for the video whether it be integrated or 2005- I archive
all this stuff so it's available.

The list goes on or stops short- depending on the intended
use of the system. With limited parts on hand I suggest
that you test what you can when you can, and ideally put all
the software on a bootable CD, unless you have an available
LAN or sufficiently sized enternal
drive/thumbdrive/whatever.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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Ed Medlin

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:55 am
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"philo" <philo DeleteThis @privacy.net> wrote in message
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 > Ed Medlin wrote:
 >
 > <snip>
   >>>
   >>><snip>
   >>>
   >>>and IMHO, correct!!!!
  >>
  >>
  >> LOL..........I usually build the whole thing and hit the power button
  >> (pray to the 'puter gods) and see if their is a problem. Usually not. If
  >> there is a problem it is very easy to then unplug all but minimum (HDD,
  >> video, memory. etc.) and go from there. IMO, most problems, at least
  >> mine, are because I got into a hurry somewhere and made some dumb@&&#
  >> mistake during the build and is usually obvious. For example, during the
  >> build of this system I powered up and everything came to life except the
  >> processor.....Smile. The problem was that I didn't have the main 24 pin MB
  >> connector pushed all the way into the socket 'till it clicked. Easy
  >> enough.......Smile
 >
 >
 > well my most common error is having the floppy's power connector pushed in
 > wrong...and the machine is totally dead until i replug it correctly Smile

hehe.......that too.

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Christo

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:35 pm
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"philo" <philo.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
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 > Ed Medlin wrote:
 >
 > <snip>
   >>>
   >>><snip>
   >>>
   >>>and IMHO, correct!!!!
  >>
  >>
  >> LOL..........I usually build the whole thing and hit the power button
  >> (pray to the 'puter gods) and see if their is a problem. Usually not. If
  >> there is a problem it is very easy to then unplug all but minimum (HDD,
  >> video, memory. etc.) and go from there. IMO, most problems, at least
  >> mine, are because I got into a hurry somewhere and made some dumb@&&#
  >> mistake during the build and is usually obvious. For example, during the
  >> build of this system I powered up and everything came to life except the
  >> processor.....Smile. The problem was that I didn't have the main 24 pin MB
  >> connector pushed all the way into the socket 'till it clicked. Easy
  >> enough.......Smile
 >
 >
 > well my most common error is having the floppy's power connector pushed in
 > wrong...and the machine is totally dead until i replug it correctly Smile

its a pain the floppy drive power connector.... need small hands to get in
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roderick




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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:51 am
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I'm new to this board, so if I'm off base in any way, let me know. It will not hurt my feelings.

First, after building 6-8 systems, I have decided to get the basic system booting (mobo, minimum memory, the boot HD, keyboard) and willing to load a CD XP before adding anything else.

I use the case because I don't have a shop bench with mounting stand for the mobo set up. I have determined to have sufficient standoffs on hand before I start. Skimping on standoffs here always leads to too much mobo flexing when forcing in memory sticks, PCI cards, etc.

My biggest problem is always getting the BIO to see the HDDs. The latest is SATA wasn't seen because my XP disk is too old to have the SATA driver. And, I didn't understand that when XP asks for "RAID" drivers, it really means things like SATA drivers too.

That brings up another point. I have gone back to using a floppy drive because drivers, such as the SATA, are easier to load at that point from floppy and made from another PC. So the floppy should be added to the initial list of HW in the initial boot.

I only build a PC about every two years, and the peripherals, memory and other things change frequently enough that I always get a couple of surprises.

Overall, my wife thinks I'm still a ham radio opeator kid to do this myself, but I just can't stand the Dell route with special HDD power connectors, restricted BIOS setting EEPROM, etc. I am willing to pay for and take the time to have full flexibility.

I hope that some of this is useful. You all have a great board here!


Roderick
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Gary C

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:55 pm
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"roderick" <DoNotEmail DeleteThis @HardwareForumz.com> wrote in message >

 > Overall, my wife thinks I'm still a ham radio opeator kid to do this
 > myself,

My wife says I'm still playing with my "Erector Set".<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:35 pm
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What are all the drivers you need to update for a motherboard? (I have an Asus A7V600-X.)

I also have...
Duron 1.8 GHz CPU
Spire Whisper Rock IV heatsink
Kingston 512 MB RAM 400 MHz non-ECC
Western Digital Caviar 60 GB HD 7200 RPM 8 MB buffer ATA-100
NEC ND3520 DVD burner
Mad Dog Multimedia Raptor Ti4200 video card
Enermax noisetaker 420 watt power supply
Enermax case
Altec Lansing speakers
AOpen mouse
AOpen keyboard
Alps Electric floppy drive

Although the keyboard has not arrived yet, I'm real excited about this machine. (I have Celeron 667 MHz and Geforce2 MX200.) I found a good review on the motherboard, and great reviews on the heatsink, hard drive, DVD burner, video card, power supply. The Kingston RAM was also recommended by Asus for the board. And the Duron 1.8 GHz is said to be more powerful than the Athlon XP 2100+.
Next year I might get a 6600 GT video card and Sempron 3700+ and Abit KV8 Pro motherboard. That should rock!!! And it would also be Win98SE compatible. I want to have a dual boot computer so... Smile
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:55 am
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On 19 Jun 2005 02:36:45 -0400, forumposter32
<UseLinkToEmail RemoveThis @HardwareForumz.com> wrote:

 >"Gary C" wrote:
  > > "roderick" <DoNotEmail RemoveThis @HardwareForumz.com> wrote in message >
  > >
   > > > Overall, my wife thinks I'm still a ham radio opeator kid to
  > > do this
   > > > myself,
  > >
  > > My wife says I'm still playing with my "Erector Set".
 >
 >What are all the drivers you need to update for a motherboard? (I
 >have an Asus A7V600-X.)
 >

Via 4in1 "Hyperion Pro"
Sound
SATA (if yours has SATA, I thought it does but forget what
is missing on the "-X" variant".
Possibly network adapter driver too.
Asus PcProbe hardware monitor

It's easier to just go to Asus' website, the download
section per board is categorized making it easier to get all
drivers. PcProbe may need be sought separate from the
motherboard drivers section though, just search on their
main search box for that.

After you see and get those, you might consider visiting the
respective chipset manufacturer's website and also getting
the newest drivers available too- then using those newer
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