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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:06 pm
Post subject: Can you in practice ever overclock a laptop?
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I was wondering what these lines in Everest Home edition mean:
Processor Properties: Manufacturer Intel External Clock 100 MHz Maximum
Clock 1000 MHz Current Clock 850 MHz

CPU Type Mobile Intel Pentium IIIE CPU Alias Coppermine, CuMine, A80526

CPU Speed: CPU Clock 851.88 MHz (original: 850 MHz)

Can you, - in practice, - ever overclock a laptop? There is a 1GHz version
of this Latitude (with the exact same model number): Is this something other
than the same chip overclocked by Dell? I thought that (being a bit
simplistic about it) every time you ever overclocked a computer, you had to
put an additional fan in? I am now starting to think about overclocking my
1.3 GHz Dimension 8100 (which speed was about as slow as the P4 was ever
made and) in which the chip is surrounded by a huge shroud and gigantic fan
whick looks as if you couldn't add to it by putting another or an even
bigger fan in?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Can you in practice ever overclock a laptop? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In practice, No. Impossible, No, but very difficult and probably not
worth it in your situation. The ONLY plausible option would be to
find a faster processor (1000 MHZ?) and replace the one in the
laptop, if that is even doable. Your processor has a "locked"
mulitplier, plus it is VERY, VERY doubtful that your laptop's
motherboard supports other buss speeds in increments that your
current processor would tolerate.

Everest is probably just reporting the upper range (1000 MHZ) of that
processor version from it's database. For example, if testing an AMD
Athlon Thunderbird series chip, it could report current speed as 1200
with a max of 1400 (the highest of the line).

The "adding a fan when you overclock" is simplistic, as you stated.
When you overclock (by raising the front side buss speed and/or
increasing the multiplier for the CPU) the processor will generate
more heat. If the current heatsink/fan combo is sufficient for the
increased heat load to dissipate it effeciently, then you don't need
to upscale the cooling already present. "Extreme" overclocking would
require more drastic means, the most efficient heatsinks, high speed
fans (Noisy) and major case ventilation....We are not speaking of
laptops anymore now.

If your laptop is running slow, other options (and I'm just going to
toss them out here) are:

- ADD MEMORY

- Clean the system of spyware/adware

- Watch out for all those "extra" programs that install with some
apps. They can really slow down your bootup, and eat up memory.

- Anti-virus/software firewall programs. Necessary but make sure they
are not "battling one another." My sister had a problem like this.
Norton A/V with McAffe firewall products. Man, those two programs
didn't like to get along with her system. When reinstalling, we went
all McAffe and it booted much quicker. Personally, I use AVG
antivirus (free) and ZoneAlarm firewall (also free) and have been
happy with it. (I believe) AVG is a smaller "footprint" than some of
the mainstream AV's. As for ZoneAlarm, I just plain like it, mainly
its ease of control compared to the windows firewall. Plus the price
is right. Very Happy

- Or even a complete reinstall of the operating system. Sometimes the
OS just gets a bit cluttered with old fragments of stuff and a clean
install is the fastest way to bringing your laptop back to life.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Can you in practice ever overclock a laptop? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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'rcn.news.com' wrote, in part:
| Can you, - in practice, - ever overclock a laptop?
_____

According to the report, you have a Mobile Pentium III; a CPU especially
designed for low power consumption and better capabilities than the desktop
verison of the Pentium III, mainly a larger L2 cache. That CPU is highly
overclockable in a a large case with a decent heatsink, the ability to raise
the FrontSide Bus speed and to raise the core CPU voltage. The first two
conditions aren't available in a laptop, and it is VERY unlikely that the
last two are either. What you already have is good for just about
everything but image processing and newer games using 3D acelleration. AND
it should have long battery life and run cool. Even if you could overclock
it, the resultant speed increase wouldn't be worth it. A 1 GHz Mobile
Pentium III would give only around a 15% or less performance increase.

As for your Pentium 4 1.3 GHz; it is the earliest version of the Pentium 4,
and uses a higher voltage than the subsequent models, has only a 256 KByte
L2 cache rather than 512 KByte or 1 MByte, and has a different number of
pins than the later, more overclockable Pentium 4 CPUs. In addition, Dell
and other large manufacturers of systems rarely make any provision for
overclocking. You might TRY overclocking this system just out of curoisity,
but it is likely not possible, and the potential gains would be small.

If you've never overclocked before, neither of these systems is a good place
to start.
For more information about an approach to overclocking look for an earlier
post I made in this newsgroup with the subject 'General Guide to
Overclocking the Intel CPU' on November 18, 2005.

Phil Weldon

"news.rcn.com" <news.rnc.com> wrote in message
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|I was wondering what these lines in Everest Home edition mean:
| Processor Properties: Manufacturer Intel External Clock 100 MHz Maximum
| Clock 1000 MHz Current Clock 850 MHz
|
| CPU Type Mobile Intel Pentium IIIE CPU Alias Coppermine, CuMine,
A80526
|
| CPU Speed: CPU Clock 851.88 MHz (original: 850 MHz)
|
| Can you, - in practice, - ever overclock a laptop? There is a 1GHz
version
| of this Latitude (with the exact same model number): Is this something
other
| than the same chip overclocked by Dell? I thought that (being a bit
| simplistic about it) every time you ever overclocked a computer, you had
to
| put an additional fan in? I am now starting to think about overclocking
my
| 1.3 GHz Dimension 8100 (which speed was about as slow as the P4 was ever
| made and) in which the chip is surrounded by a huge shroud and gigantic
fan
| whick looks as if you couldn't add to it by putting another or an even
| bigger fan in?
|
|
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Can you in practice ever overclock a laptop? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"news.rcn.com" <news.rnc.com> wrote in message...
>I was wondering what these lines in Everest Home edition mean: Processor
>Properties:
> Manufacturer Intel External Clock 100 MHz Maximum Clock 1000 MHz
> Current Clock 850 MHz

All that means is that you currently have an 850MHz processor, and that your
board is able to take a 1000MHz processor at maximum.

> Can you, - in practice, - ever overclock a laptop?

That is a piece of string question. Can you overclock some laptops? Yes. Can
you overclock *your* laptop? Don't know.

> There is a 1GHz version of this Latitude (with the exact same
> model number): Is this something other than the same chip
> overclocked by Dell?

Don't know. Dell don't overclock CPU's, they buy them as marked by Intel.
However, as the two CPU's are effectively identical bar their multiplier
factor, some might contend that the 850 is merely an underclocked version of
the 1000, and vice versa.

> I thought that (being a bit simplistic about it) every time you ever
> overclocked a computer, you had to put an additional fan in?

No that statement is far too simplistic. You only need to improve the
cooling solution if your overclocking attempt results in the system
producing more heat than the existing arrangements can comfortably
dissipate.

In practice, laptops tend to be shipped with thermal solutions that are
barely capable of servicing the CPU even at default speeds, whereas desktop
cooling solutions tend to have a tiny bit more headroom.

> I am now starting to think about overclocking my 1.3 GHz Dimension
> 8100 (which speed was about as slow as the P4 was ever made and)
> in which the chip is surrounded by a huge shroud and gigantic fan whick
> looks as if you couldn't add to it by putting another or an even bigger
> fan in?

You wouldn't want to "add" to the existing shroud/fan/heatsink assembly. If
you wanted to improve the cooling you would likely have to get rid of the
current solution and fit a complete replacement.

However, that is likely to be a moot point. Dell PC's are built with
components that are deliberately designed to make overclocking as difficult
as possible. As such, it probably doesn't matter whether you upgrade the
cooling or not. Chances are you won't be able to overclock this system in
the first place.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:40 am
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Many thanks for all your answers guys: I suspected that what was said in
this thread was the case as suggested by the wording of my OP. (But I
didn't know that Dell made it so difficult to overclock their products. It
would make sense however, with a company which rushes products to market
with advanced specs to beat the competition and then lets their customers do
the soak testing; that they wouldn't want to let those customers
deliberately exert more pressure on their components than had already been
put on them by the company).

"Richard Hopkins" <richh RemoveThis @dsl.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "news.rcn.com" <news.rnc.com> wrote in message...
>>I was wondering what these lines in Everest Home edition mean: Processor
>>Properties:
>> Manufacturer Intel External Clock 100 MHz Maximum Clock 1000 MHz
>> Current Clock 850 MHz
>
> All that means is that you currently have an 850MHz processor, and that
> your board is able to take a 1000MHz processor at maximum.
>
>> Can you, - in practice, - ever overclock a laptop?
>
> That is a piece of string question. Can you overclock some laptops? Yes.
> Can you overclock *your* laptop? Don't know.
>
>> There is a 1GHz version of this Latitude (with the exact same
>> model number): Is this something other than the same chip
>> overclocked by Dell?
>
> Don't know. Dell don't overclock CPU's, they buy them as marked by Intel.
> However, as the two CPU's are effectively identical bar their multiplier
> factor, some might contend that the 850 is merely an underclocked version
> of the 1000, and vice versa.
>
>> I thought that (being a bit simplistic about it) every time you ever
>> overclocked a computer, you had to put an additional fan in?
>
> No that statement is far too simplistic. You only need to improve the
> cooling solution if your overclocking attempt results in the system
> producing more heat than the existing arrangements can comfortably
> dissipate.
>
> In practice, laptops tend to be shipped with thermal solutions that are
> barely capable of servicing the CPU even at default speeds, whereas
> desktop cooling solutions tend to have a tiny bit more headroom.
>
>> I am now starting to think about overclocking my 1.3 GHz Dimension
>> 8100 (which speed was about as slow as the P4 was ever made and)
>> in which the chip is surrounded by a huge shroud and gigantic fan whick
>> looks as if you couldn't add to it by putting another or an even bigger
>> fan in?
>
> You wouldn't want to "add" to the existing shroud/fan/heatsink assembly.
> If you wanted to improve the cooling you would likely have to get rid of
> the current solution and fit a complete replacement.
>
> However, that is likely to be a moot point. Dell PC's are built with
> components that are deliberately designed to make overclocking as
> difficult as possible. As such, it probably doesn't matter whether you
> upgrade the cooling or not. Chances are you won't be able to overclock
> this system in the first place.
> --
>
>
> Richard Hopkins
> Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
> (replace nospam with pipex in reply address)
>
> The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
>
>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:55 pm
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> Can you, - in practice, - ever overclock a laptop? There is a 1GHz
> version of this Latitude (with the exact same model number): Is this
> something other than the same chip overclocked by Dell? I thought that
> (being a bit simplistic about it) every time you ever overclocked a
> computer, you had to put an additional fan in? I am now starting to think
> about overclocking my 1.3 GHz Dimension 8100 (

Generally no, you can't overclock a laptop, other that actually sticking in
another higher speed CPU that the BIOS and m/b can handle. Almost every
laptop I've ever seen has a BIOS that will not allow FSB changes or other
necessary tweaks. Laptops typically have major heat dissipation issues. You
can often overclock the GPU with Rivatuner or ATI Tool depending on your
particular gfx chipset, but again, heat is the problem, and very few laptops
have decent GPU's and dedicated memory so it's somewhat a moot point.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:57 am
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news.rcn.com wrote:
> Many thanks for all your answers guys: I suspected that what was said in
> this thread was the case as suggested by the wording of my OP. (But I
> didn't know that Dell made it so difficult to overclock their products. It
> would make sense however, with a company which rushes products to market
> with advanced specs to beat the competition and then lets their customers do
> the soak testing; that they wouldn't want to let those customers
> deliberately exert more pressure on their components than had already been
> put on them by the company).

It isn't that they "make it so difficult." Rather, it's that there is no
good reason for them to design it with the more expensive parts to support
overclocking (after all, you bought an x-GHz machine, not a "maybe or maybe
not" y-GHz machine) nor any incentive to go through the pain and misery of
the bazillions of support phone calls that go something like "I tried to
make it go 5 GHz but it don't do NOTHING at ALL. Whadda I do now? Whadda I
do now?" and the "why won't your piece of junk overclock to 10 terahertz?"

Home builders buying individual parts is another matter. YOU are making the
decision to gamble but would you buy an assembled unit whose specs read
something like "3GHz, plus or minus 500Mhz, it depends on your luck, and it
might lock up, or maybe not. Up to you to test it. Bon chance." (and if it
was guaranteed to do y-GHz it'd be sold as y-Ghz, not x-GHz).

Try convincing management that's going to be a boffo selling feature.

> "Richard Hopkins" <richh.RemoveThis@dsl.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:roGdnQzfjbTenQnenZ2dnUVZ8qSdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>
>>"news.rcn.com" <news.rnc.com> wrote in message...
>>
>>>I was wondering what these lines in Everest Home edition mean: Processor
>>>Properties:
>>>Manufacturer Intel External Clock 100 MHz Maximum Clock 1000 MHz
>>>Current Clock 850 MHz
>>
>>All that means is that you currently have an 850MHz processor, and that
>>your board is able to take a 1000MHz processor at maximum.
>>
>>
>>>Can you, - in practice, - ever overclock a laptop?
>>
>>That is a piece of string question. Can you overclock some laptops? Yes.
>>Can you overclock *your* laptop? Don't know.
>>
>>
>>>There is a 1GHz version of this Latitude (with the exact same
>>>model number): Is this something other than the same chip
>>>overclocked by Dell?
>>
>>Don't know. Dell don't overclock CPU's, they buy them as marked by Intel.
>>However, as the two CPU's are effectively identical bar their multiplier
>>factor, some might contend that the 850 is merely an underclocked version
>>of the 1000, and vice versa.
>>
>>
>>>I thought that (being a bit simplistic about it) every time you ever
>>>overclocked a computer, you had to put an additional fan in?
>>
>>No that statement is far too simplistic. You only need to improve the
>>cooling solution if your overclocking attempt results in the system
>>producing more heat than the existing arrangements can comfortably
>>dissipate.
>>
>>In practice, laptops tend to be shipped with thermal solutions that are
>>barely capable of servicing the CPU even at default speeds, whereas
>>desktop cooling solutions tend to have a tiny bit more headroom.
>>
>>
>>>I am now starting to think about overclocking my 1.3 GHz Dimension
>>>8100 (which speed was about as slow as the P4 was ever made and)
>>>in which the chip is surrounded by a huge shroud and gigantic fan whick
>>>looks as if you couldn't add to it by putting another or an even bigger
>>>fan in?
>>
>>You wouldn't want to "add" to the existing shroud/fan/heatsink assembly.
>>If you wanted to improve the cooling you would likely have to get rid of
>>the current solution and fit a complete replacement.
>>
>>However, that is likely to be a moot point. Dell PC's are built with
>>components that are deliberately designed to make overclocking as
>>difficult as possible. As such, it probably doesn't matter whether you
>>upgrade the cooling or not. Chances are you won't be able to overclock
>>this system in the first place.
>>--
>>
>>
>>Richard Hopkins
>>Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
>>(replace nospam with pipex in reply address)
>>
>>The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
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