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brady.sondreal

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:35 pm
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Hello,

I'm very new to overclocking so please bare with my ignorance.
I attempted my first overclock, but wasn't able to get very far.
I raised my bus speed from 204 to 220 and i get a blue screen if i go
any higher.
Most users report they can get anywhere from 2.6 to 2.8 on air with the
Opteron 165. I can get 1.98.
My CPU is at 17C thanks to the Zalman 9500 Heatsink/fan.
It raises to 21C when i get up to a bus speed of 220.
My system is running at 27C.
I've tried changing the vcore anywhere from 1.35 to 1.55, but i still
can't get it running any faster.
My memory is running at 433(216).
I tried changing back to the default 400, but that made no difference.
I'm using an A-DATA Vitesta 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory kit.
I've ran Windows Memory Diagnostic and Memtest 86 and no errors were
reported.
My board is an Abit Av8.
My power supply is a Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC ATX 430W.

Please let me know if I've left out any important info.
Any tips on how i could increase my FSB speed without getting a blue
screen would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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Wes Newell

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:00 am
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:35:13 -0800, brady.sondreal wrote:

> Please let me know if I've left out any important info.
> Any tips on how i could increase my FSB speed without getting a blue
> screen would be greatly appreciated.

Lower the HT link multiplier from 5x to 4x or 3x. When you raise the
system bus from 200 to 220, that raises the HT speed from 1000Mhz (5x200)
to 1100MHz (5x220). It's only rated for 1000. If you want the bus over
250, set it to 3x.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:23 am
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Wes Newell wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:35:13 -0800, brady.sondreal wrote:
>
> > Please let me know if I've left out any important info.
> > Any tips on how i could increase my FSB speed without getting a blue
> > screen would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Lower the HT link multiplier from 5x to 4x or 3x. When you raise the
> system bus from 200 to 220, that raises the HT speed from 1000Mhz (5x200)
> to 1100MHz (5x220). It's only rated for 1000. If you want the bus over
> 250, set it to 3x.
>

Also check your RAM speed or RAM/FSB multiplier - you'll probably have
to lower that as well. Depeding on the motherboard, even though you
set a particular speed, that is only relative to a stock FSB.

Kendt
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brady.sondreal

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:55 am
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I lowered the LDT Bus Frequency from 5x to 3x, but wasn't able to get
the FSB any higher.
Is LDT Bus frequency the same thing as HT link multiplier?

Kendt - My ram speed is running at 400Mhz. Should i lower that? Also,
i'm unable to find a RAM/FSB multipler in my Abit AV8 Bios. Could it
be labled with a different name?

Thank you both.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:03 am
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brady.sondr....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> I lowered the LDT Bus Frequency from 5x to 3x, but wasn't able to get
> the FSB any higher.
> Is LDT Bus frequency the same thing as HT link multiplier?
>
> Kendt - My ram speed is running at 400Mhz. Should i lower that? Also,
> i'm unable to find a RAM/FSB multipler in my Abit AV8 Bios. Could it
> be labled with a different name?
>
> Thank you both.

On the first question - yes.

Try setting the RAM to 333 or even 266Mhz - look at it this way - at a
250FSB, your RAM is trying to run at 500Mhz DDR speed.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:52 am
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I set my ram to 266MHZ.
I'm now able to get the FSB up to 260, which is a huge improvement.
I really appreciate your advice.

You said that at a 250FSB, my RAM is trying to run at 500MHZ.
How does changing the RAM speed in the BIOS make any difference if RAM
speed is always FSB*2.

Also, Is this a typical overclock where you have to reduce your Ram
speed in order to increase FSB?
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Wes Newell

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:10 pm
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:55:38 -0800, brady.sondreal wrote:

> I lowered the LDT Bus Frequency from 5x to 3x, but wasn't able to get
> the FSB any higher.
> Is LDT Bus frequency the same thing as HT link multiplier?
>
Yes.

> Kendt - My ram speed is running at 400Mhz. Should i lower that? Also,
> i'm unable to find a RAM/FSB multipler in my Abit AV8 Bios. Could it be
> labled with a different name?
>
They don't make ram that runs that fast. You are concerned with the bus
speed, which is 200MHz. Sounds like now even the MB naufacturers are using
the data rates for bus speeds, and that's sure to screw everyone up. Set
the bus clock to 166MHz. That's probably 333 on your board, Hard to tell
anymore with all the bogus BS numbers they use these days.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:19 pm
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:52:47 -0800, brady.sondreal wrote:

> I set my ram to 266MHZ.

I'd laugh but it's really not funny. What you really did was set the ram
bus speed to 133Mhz.

> You said that at a 250FSB, my RAM is trying to run at 500MHZ. How does
> changing the RAM speed in the BIOS make any difference if RAM speed is
> always FSB*2.
>
No. No. No. At a 1:1 ratio, you ram and system bus clock are at the same
speed, 250MHz. I'd like to strangle all the mfers that started putting MHz
behind data rates.

> Also, Is this a typical overclock where you have to reduce your Ram
> speed in order to increase FSB?

Yes. Sorry, I forgot to mention that. the ram bus clock increases with
raising the FSB clock, so you lower the base ram clok and then it raises
back up as you raise the FSB clock.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:06 am
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This could also be a chipset limitation.

I don't believe you mentioned your motherboard's complete model name,
but you did mention it was an Abit AV8. This means your motherboard's
chipset is VIA's K8T800, which really pales in comparison with
nVidia's nForce4 variants in terms of overclocking performance.

The chipset is one of those factors that almost never gets considered
in an overclocking exercise.

As an aside, I'd like to caution you: There's a very good chance that
you may corrupt your WinXP installation if you haven't locked your PCI
bus @ 33MHz. Make sure that you enable PCI bus lock in your BIOS.
Failing to do so would most likely speed up your SATA and IDE channels
as well, which will corrupt your boot sector.

The same thing has happened to me, with VIA's more advanced K8T890
chipset. I neglected to lock down the PCI bus, and it corrupted my
father's WinXP installation.

Hope this helps!
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