Is it safe to buy AMD64

   >>>>> "Rob" == Rob Stow <rob.stow.DeleteThis@sk.sympatico.ca> writes:

Rob> I don't like the bleeding edge either - not because I'm afraid
Rob> to take risks, but because my wallet is "anemic" and I can't
Rob> afford to.

Same here but the cost of amd64 system looks pretty similiar to the
cost of intel p4 system depending on the cpu. My wallet is anemic
also, but it is the holidays. Anyway I got real lucky this year. We
pulled names in the family, and I pulled my own name! So my old 1ghz
athlon is about to get sent to the daugthers room . That is of
course if this amd64 stuff is stable enough. I got really concerned
when I read that nvidia chipsets cannot use the full speed of
hypertransport, and the northbridge and southbridge connections on the
via chipset was slow. The AMD chipset boards look solid but have some
real solid price tags .

Rob> I know a couple of people with dual Opteron workstations and a
Rob> one more with a couple of dual Opteron servers. I get to try
Rob> them out often enough that I am very impressed and green with
Rob> envy.

Rob> They seem rock-steady with every OS that has been tried on them
Rob> - including Windows 2000 Pro and Server, Windows XP Pro, several
Rob> Linuxes, and a beta version of the 64 bit Windows. None of the
Rob> Opty systems have crashed while I've been around and I have
Rob> heard that the only crashes anyone has experienced so far have
Rob> all come from early versions of the video drivers for 64 bit
Rob> Windows.

Thanks for the info.

Rob> Most of the systems I've seen have been based on various Tyan
Rob> motherboards and I would love to be able to afford to build
Rob> myself a system around an S2885 motherboard. I am much more
Rob> likely to have to settle for a single-processor system - and
Rob> probably Athlon64 instead of AthlonFX or Opteron.

That is what I'm looking at also. Opteron is overkill I think for home
use, but sure looks nice.

Thanks,

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"Spam Me Please" <spamme.TakeThisOut@edge.net> wrote in message
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 > I hate to be the first out the box and I have been waiting and reading
 > but about ready to dive into the amd64 platform. Do you think it is
 > stable enough to dive head first. I don't like the bleeding edge
 > because I'm anemic.
 >
 > Thanks,
 >
 > Alan

Alan, I haven't seen much of anything that's untested and untried on these
new AMD64 systems. That is except their pricetags -- I've never tried those
pricetags before.

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   >>>>> "Yousuf" == Yousuf Khan <removethisspam.bjsk90.removethispam DeleteThis @hotmail.com> writes:

Yousuf> "Spam Me Please" <spamme DeleteThis @edge.net> wrote in message
Yousuf> news:8765gxi9hl.fsf@spamme.edge.net...
   >> I hate to be the first out the box and I have been waiting and
   >> reading but about ready to dive into the amd64 platform. Do you
   >> think it is stable enough to dive head first. I don't like the
   >> bleeding edge because I'm anemic.
   >>
   >> Thanks,
   >>
   >> Alan

Yousuf> Alan, I haven't seen much of anything that's untested and
Yousuf> untried on these new AMD64 systems. That is except their
Yousuf> pricetags -- I've never tried those pricetags before.

Really the price does not seem to bad when compared to intel top of
the line cpu's especially the new extreme p4 chip which starts at
about 1,000 bucks. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit=Go&description=3%2E2GHz%2CExtreme%2CEdition%2C2MB" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit=Go&description...2E2GHz%</a>

Just went to price watch on 12/4/03 at 7:30am CST:

Athlon AMD64 3200 - $389.00
Athlon AMD32 3200 - $333.00
P4 3.2Ghz 800Mhz - $380.00
P4 3.0Ghz 800Mhz - $263.00

Motherboard prices are about 20 bucks more than athlon 32 motherborads
and some are cheaper, but have less features. Did I miss something
here. Now the opteron and athlon fx prices are completely different
story! Actually the P4 3.0Ghz price looks pretty good today. These
prices really change a lot the last month, and now I'm confused!

Anyway I know this is not the best price point. I could get a cheaper
but slower processor and upgrade later, but I don't really want to do
that. I got burned several times in the past because the motherboard
even with a bios upgrade would not support the latest cpu, or the
socket changed for the chip. Hell if I could plug a new cpu into this
asus a7v motherboard I would not even be thinking about an upgrade.

Thanks

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On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:17:48 -0600, Spam Me Please <spamme.TakeThisOut@edge.net>
wrote:

   >>>>>> "Rob" == Rob Stow <rob.stow.TakeThisOut@sk.sympatico.ca> writes:
 >
 > Rob> I don't like the bleeding edge either - not because I'm afraid
 > Rob> to take risks, but because my wallet is "anemic" and I can't
 > Rob> afford to.
 >
 >Same here but the cost of amd64 system looks pretty similiar to the
 >cost of intel p4 system depending on the cpu. My wallet is anemic
 >also, but it is the holidays. Anyway I got real lucky this year. We
 >pulled names in the family, and I pulled my own name! So my old 1ghz
 >athlon is about to get sent to the daugthers room . That is of
 >course if this amd64 stuff is stable enough. I got really concerned
 >when I read that nvidia chipsets cannot use the full speed of
 >hypertransport, and the northbridge and southbridge connections on the
 >via chipset was slow. The AMD chipset boards look solid but have some
 >real solid price tags .
 >
 > Rob> I know a couple of people with dual Opteron workstations and a
 > Rob> one more with a couple of dual Opteron servers. I get to try
 > Rob> them out often enough that I am very impressed and green with
 > Rob> envy.
 >
 > Rob> They seem rock-steady with every OS that has been tried on them
 > Rob> - including Windows 2000 Pro and Server, Windows XP Pro, several
 > Rob> Linuxes, and a beta version of the 64 bit Windows. None of the
 > Rob> Opty systems have crashed while I've been around and I have
 > Rob> heard that the only crashes anyone has experienced so far have
 > Rob> all come from early versions of the video drivers for 64 bit
 > Rob> Windows.
 >
 >Thanks for the info.
 >
 > Rob> Most of the systems I've seen have been based on various Tyan
 > Rob> motherboards and I would love to be able to afford to build
 > Rob> myself a system around an S2885 motherboard. I am much more
 > Rob> likely to have to settle for a single-processor system - and
 > Rob> probably Athlon64 instead of AthlonFX or Opteron.
 >
 >That is what I'm looking at also. Opteron is overkill I think for home
 >use, but sure looks nice.
 >
 >Thanks,
 >
 >Alan

Overkill today, obsolete tomorrow. ;p
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Ed wrote:

 > On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:17:48 -0600, Spam Me Please <spamme DeleteThis @edge.net>
 > wrote:
 >
 >
   >>>>>>>"Rob" == Rob Stow <rob.stow DeleteThis @sk.sympatico.ca> writes:
  >>
  >>Rob> I don't like the bleeding edge either - not because I'm afraid
  >>Rob> to take risks, but because my wallet is "anemic" and I can't
  >>Rob> afford to.
  >>
  >>Same here but the cost of amd64 system looks pretty similiar to the
  >>cost of intel p4 system depending on the cpu. My wallet is anemic
  >>also, but it is the holidays. Anyway I got real lucky this year. We
  >>pulled names in the family, and I pulled my own name! So my old 1ghz
  >>athlon is about to get sent to the daugthers room . That is of
  >>course if this amd64 stuff is stable enough. I got really concerned
  >>when I read that nvidia chipsets cannot use the full speed of
  >>hypertransport, and the northbridge and southbridge connections on the
  >>via chipset was slow. The AMD chipset boards look solid but have some
  >>real solid price tags .
  >>
  >>Rob> I know a couple of people with dual Opteron workstations and a
  >>Rob> one more with a couple of dual Opteron servers. I get to try
  >>Rob> them out often enough that I am very impressed and green with
  >>Rob> envy.
  >>
  >>Rob> They seem rock-steady with every OS that has been tried on them
  >>Rob> - including Windows 2000 Pro and Server, Windows XP Pro, several
  >>Rob> Linuxes, and a beta version of the 64 bit Windows. None of the
  >>Rob> Opty systems have crashed while I've been around and I have
  >>Rob> heard that the only crashes anyone has experienced so far have
  >>Rob> all come from early versions of the video drivers for 64 bit
  >>Rob> Windows.
  >>
  >>Thanks for the info.
  >>
  >>Rob> Most of the systems I've seen have been based on various Tyan
  >>Rob> motherboards and I would love to be able to afford to build
  >>Rob> myself a system around an S2885 motherboard. I am much more
  >>Rob> likely to have to settle for a single-processor system - and
  >>Rob> probably Athlon64 instead of AthlonFX or Opteron.
  >>
  >>That is what I'm looking at also. Opteron is overkill I think for home
  >>use, but sure looks nice.
  >>
  >>Thanks,
  >>
  >>Alan
 >
 >
 > Overkill today, obsolete tomorrow. ;p
 > Ed
 >

LOL. I remember everyone saying that when the 80386 came out.
And then again for the 486. And then again for ...




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   >>>>> "Rob" == Rob Stow <rob.stow.RemoveThis@sk.sympatico.ca> writes:

Rob> Ed wrote:
   >> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:17:48 -0600, Spam Me Please
   >> <spamme.RemoveThis@edge.net>
   >> wrote:
   >>
    >>>>>>>> "Rob" == Rob Stow <rob.stow.RemoveThis@sk.sympatico.ca> writes:
    >>>
Rob> I don't like the bleeding edge either - not because I'm afraid
Rob> to take risks, but because my wallet is "anemic" and I can't
Rob> afford to.
    >>> Same here but the cost of amd64 system looks pretty similiar to
    >>> the cost of intel p4 system depending on the cpu. My wallet is
    >>> anemic also, but it is the holidays. Anyway I got real lucky this
    >>> year. We pulled names in the family, and I pulled my own name! So
    >>> my old 1ghz athlon is about to get sent to the daugthers room
    >>> . That is of course if this amd64 stuff is stable enough. I
    >>> got really concerned when I read that nvidia chipsets cannot use
    >>> the full speed of hypertransport, and the northbridge and
    >>> southbridge connections on the via chipset was slow. The AMD
    >>> chipset boards look solid but have some real solid price tags
    >>> . Rob> I know a couple of people with dual Opteron
    >>> workstations and a
Rob> one more with a couple of dual Opteron servers. I get to try
Rob> them out often enough that I am very impressed and green with
Rob> envy.
    >>>
Rob> They seem rock-steady with every OS that has been tried on them
Rob> - including Windows 2000 Pro and Server, Windows XP Pro, several
Rob> Linuxes, and a beta version of the 64 bit Windows. None of the
Rob> Opty systems have crashed while I've been around and I have
Rob> heard that the only crashes anyone has experienced so far have
Rob> all come from early versions of the video drivers for 64 bit
Rob> Windows.
    >>> Thanks for the info.
    >>>
Rob> Most of the systems I've seen have been based on various Tyan
Rob> motherboards and I would love to be able to afford to build
Rob> myself a system around an S2885 motherboard. I am much more
Rob> likely to have to settle for a single-processor system - and
Rob> probably Athlon64 instead of AthlonFX or Opteron.
    >>> That is what I'm looking at also. Opteron is overkill I think
    >>> for home use, but sure looks nice.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks,
    >>>
    >>> Alan
   >> Overkill today, obsolete tomorrow. ;p Ed
   >>

Rob> LOL. I remember everyone saying that when the 80386 came out.
Rob> And then again for the 486. And then again for ...

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On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:36:43 -0600, Spam Me Please <spamme DeleteThis @edge.net>
wrote:

 >Athlon AMD64 3200 - $389.00
 >Athlon AMD32 3200 - $333.00
 >P4 3.2Ghz 800Mhz - $380.00
 >P4 3.0Ghz 800Mhz - $263.00
 >
 >Motherboard prices are about 20 bucks more than athlon 32 motherborads
 >and some are cheaper, but have less features. Did I miss something
 >here. Now the opteron and athlon fx prices are completely different
 >story! Actually the P4 3.0Ghz price looks pretty good today.

It looked so good to me, I had to buy one!

It seems that the amount that I spend on the CPU is edging upwards
with each computer I build, but the price of the over-all machine is
staying about the same. Dirt cheap hardrives are probably my biggest
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Thanks that is the comment that I was looking for. After checking the
prices again today the P4 3Ghz looks actually great.

Later

   >>>>> "Tony" == Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20.RemoveThis@yahoo.ca> writes:

Tony> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:48:03 -0600, Rob Stow
Tony> <rob.stow.RemoveThis@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:
    >>> Overkill today, obsolete tomorrow. ;p
   >> LOL. I remember everyone saying that when the 80386 came out. And
   >> then again for the 486. And then again for ...

Tony> Hmm, I guess if you use a sufficiently broad definition of
Tony> "tomorrow" it becomes accurate. I mean, the 386 and 486
Tony> definitely are obsolete now, and at one point in time they were
Tony> overkill for most (or perhaps more to the point, the value that
Tony> they offered for their rather high price wasn't worth it). I'm
Tony> sure at some point in time the Athlon64 and Opteron chips sold
Tony> today will be obsolete :>

Tony> That being said, they do offer some reasonably good value for
Tony> your money at the high-end, particularly the Opteron in 2 and 4
Tony> processor servers. For the desktop, I don't think that I could
Tony> justify the high cost of an Athlon64 (or top speed grade P4) at
Tony> this point in time when a mid-range (2.6 or 2.8GHz) P4 is so
Tony> much cheaper and many AthlonXP chips are dirt-cheap these days.

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