temp guidelines

Thanks, what temp should I start to worry at? or is that to depepndent on
configuration to say?
appreciate it

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 > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:04:39 -0400, "Dave M" <dmacleo.DeleteThis@midmaine.com>
 > wrote:
 >
  > >is the a posting, or list, of what acceptable cpu temps are? after
extended
  > >flight sim (cpu usage around 90%) I get around 148-151 F.
  > >thanks
 >
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Dave M wrote:
 > Thanks, what temp should I start to worry at? or is that to depepndent on
 > configuration to say?
 > appreciate it

Yes. It "depends."

Take stock to begin with. The Intel data sheet will tell you what the
maximum operating temperature is and then you, yourself, specify what the
maximum ambient you want the computer to be able to operation in is. Max
CPU temp minus the max ambient you want to operate in is then your
temperature budget; which includes case temp rise and the heatsink
efficiency. Clearly, your CPU temperature can be 'in range" when the
ambient is low but not good enough for when ambient rises to your defined
maximum. I.E. If your CPU is a comfortable 10C below maximum when you're
operating 20C under maximum ambient then you're going to be 10C too hot
when the ambient is AT maximum.

The issue is more iffy when overclocking because there's no longer an
official maximum temperature "spec" since, odds are, the maximum temp it
will operate at is less than the Intel spec. Plus, with increase Vcore and
heat dissipation, the Intel maximum temp spec is no longer as safe
(lifespan reduction) as when it's operated at stock conditions.

Overclockers are trading off how hot ambient can be and have it still run,
plus lifespan, to get the faster speeds. e.g. While a stock system might
operate merrily along up to 104F an overclocked one might not get past 80F.

A stock P4 will throttle the speed back when it gets too hot. On the other
hand, when one is overclocking it might lock up before it gets throttled.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:12:25 -0400, "Dave M" <dmacleo.DeleteThis@midmaine.com>
wrote:

 >Thanks, what temp should I start to worry at? or is that to depepndent on
 >configuration to say?
 >appreciate it

you do not have to worry (only if P4 starts throttling down the speed,
slowing work) , that will start above 75° IMHO ...

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due to drive failure (whats that cricket sound???) it took me a few to read
these.
thanks for the info all, it is very helpful.
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 > Dave M wrote:
  > > Thanks, what temp should I start to worry at? or is that to depepndent
on
  > > configuration to say?
  > > appreciate it
 >
 > Yes. It "depends."
 >
 > Take stock to begin with. The Intel data sheet will tell you what the
 > maximum operating temperature is and then you, yourself, specify what the
 > maximum ambient you want the computer to be able to operation in is. Max
 > CPU temp minus the max ambient you want to operate in is then your
 > temperature budget; which includes case temp rise and the heatsink
 > efficiency. Clearly, your CPU temperature can be 'in range" when the
 > ambient is low but not good enough for when ambient rises to your defined
 > maximum. I.E. If your CPU is a comfortable 10C below maximum when you're
 > operating 20C under maximum ambient then you're going to be 10C too hot
 > when the ambient is AT maximum.
 >
 > The issue is more iffy when overclocking because there's no longer an
 > official maximum temperature "spec" since, odds are, the maximum temp it
 > will operate at is less than the Intel spec. Plus, with increase Vcore and
 > heat dissipation, the Intel maximum temp spec is no longer as safe
 > (lifespan reduction) as when it's operated at stock conditions.
 >
 > Overclockers are trading off how hot ambient can be and have it still run,
 > plus lifespan, to get the faster speeds. e.g. While a stock system might
 > operate merrily along up to 104F an overclocked one might not get past
80F.
 >
 > A stock P4 will throttle the speed back when it gets too hot. On the other
 > hand, when one is overclocking it might lock up before it gets throttled.
 >
 >
 >
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Dave M wrote:
 > due to drive failure (whats that cricket sound???) it took me a few to read
 > these.

Sorry to hear that. Literally. I am always sorry when I hear that

The guts, opened up and put in a wall mount shadow box frame, makes for a
nice computer geek display though.


 > thanks for the info all, it is very helpful.
 > "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn.TakeThisOut@ev1.net> wrote in message
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 >
  >>Dave M wrote:
  >>
   >>>Thanks, what temp should I start to worry at? or is that to depepndent
  >>
 > on
 >
   >>>configuration to say?
   >>>appreciate it
  >>
  >>Yes. It "depends."
  >>
  >>Take stock to begin with. The Intel data sheet will tell you what the
  >>maximum operating temperature is and then you, yourself, specify what the
  >>maximum ambient you want the computer to be able to operation in is. Max
  >>CPU temp minus the max ambient you want to operate in is then your
  >>temperature budget; which includes case temp rise and the heatsink
  >>efficiency. Clearly, your CPU temperature can be 'in range" when the
  >>ambient is low but not good enough for when ambient rises to your defined
  >>maximum. I.E. If your CPU is a comfortable 10C below maximum when you're
  >>operating 20C under maximum ambient then you're going to be 10C too hot
  >>when the ambient is AT maximum.
  >>
  >>The issue is more iffy when overclocking because there's no longer an
  >>official maximum temperature "spec" since, odds are, the maximum temp it
  >>will operate at is less than the Intel spec. Plus, with increase Vcore and
  >>heat dissipation, the Intel maximum temp spec is no longer as safe
  >>(lifespan reduction) as when it's operated at stock conditions.
  >>
  >>Overclockers are trading off how hot ambient can be and have it still run,
  >>plus lifespan, to get the faster speeds. e.g. While a stock system might
  >>operate merrily along up to 104F an overclocked one might not get past
 >
 > 80F.
 >
  >>A stock P4 will throttle the speed back when it gets too hot. On the other
  >>hand, when one is overclocking it might lock up before it gets throttled.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
 >
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 >
 >
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I was able to get chkdsk to repair ir after a full format. took a few tries
but I ghosted everything from spare drive today. seems ok now......
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 > Dave M wrote:
  > > due to drive failure (whats that cricket sound???) it took me a few to
read
  > > these.
 >
 > Sorry to hear that. Literally. I am always sorry when I hear that
 >
 > The guts, opened up and put in a wall mount shadow box frame, makes for a
 > nice computer geek display though.
 >
 >
  > > thanks for the info all, it is very helpful.
  > > "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn DeleteThis @ev1.net> wrote in message
  > > news:3F8481C6.6080207@ev1.net...
  > >
   > >>Dave M wrote:
   > >>
   > >>>Thanks, what temp should I start to worry at? or is that to depepndent
   > >>
  > > on
  > >
   > >>>configuration to say?
   > >>>appreciate it
   > >>
   > >>Yes. It "depends."
   > >>
   > >>Take stock to begin with. The Intel data sheet will tell you what the
   > >>maximum operating temperature is and then you, yourself, specify what
the
   > >>maximum ambient you want the computer to be able to operation in is. Max
   > >>CPU temp minus the max ambient you want to operate in is then your
   > >>temperature budget; which includes case temp rise and the heatsink
   > >>efficiency. Clearly, your CPU temperature can be 'in range" when the
   > >>ambient is low but not good enough for when ambient rises to your
defined
   > >>maximum. I.E. If your CPU is a comfortable 10C below maximum when you're
   > >>operating 20C under maximum ambient then you're going to be 10C too hot
   > >>when the ambient is AT maximum.
   > >>
   > >>The issue is more iffy when overclocking because there's no longer an
   > >>official maximum temperature "spec" since, odds are, the maximum temp it
   > >>will operate at is less than the Intel spec. Plus, with increase Vcore
and
   > >>heat dissipation, the Intel maximum temp spec is no longer as safe
   > >>(lifespan reduction) as when it's operated at stock conditions.
   > >>
   > >>Overclockers are trading off how hot ambient can be and have it still
run,
   > >>plus lifespan, to get the faster speeds. e.g. While a stock system might
   > >>operate merrily along up to 104F an overclocked one might not get past
  > >
  > > 80F.
  > >
   > >>A stock P4 will throttle the speed back when it gets too hot. On the
other
   > >>hand, when one is overclocking it might lock up before it gets
throttled.
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
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Dave M wrote:
 > I was able to get chkdsk to repair ir after a full format. took a few tries
 > but I ghosted everything from spare drive today. seems ok now......

If what you mean is that a chkdsk surface scan finally marked all the bad
sectors then I'd strongly suggest you consider getting a new drive because
once they start getting bad sectors they go downhill fast.

 > "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn RemoveThis @ev1.net> wrote in message
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 >
  >>Dave M wrote:
  >>
   >>>due to drive failure (whats that cricket sound???) it took me a few to
  >>
 > read
 >
   >>>these.
  >>
  >>Sorry to hear that. Literally. I am always sorry when I hear that
  >>
  >>The guts, opened up and put in a wall mount shadow box frame, makes for a
  >>nice computer geek display though.
  >>
  >>
  >>
   >>>thanks for the info all, it is very helpful.
   >>>"David Maynard" <dNOTmayn RemoveThis @ev1.net> wrote in message
   >>>news:3F8481C6.6080207@ev1.net...
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>Dave M wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>>Thanks, what temp should I start to worry at? or is that to depepndent
   >>>>
   >>>on
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>>configuration to say?
   >>>>>appreciate it
   >>>>
   >>>>Yes. It "depends."
   >>>>
   >>>>Take stock to begin with. The Intel data sheet will tell you what the
   >>>>maximum operating temperature is and then you, yourself, specify what
   >>>
 > the
 >
   >>>>maximum ambient you want the computer to be able to operation in is. Max
   >>>>CPU temp minus the max ambient you want to operate in is then your
   >>>>temperature budget; which includes case temp rise and the heatsink
   >>>>efficiency. Clearly, your CPU temperature can be 'in range" when the
   >>>>ambient is low but not good enough for when ambient rises to your
   >>>
 > defined
 >
   >>>>maximum. I.E. If your CPU is a comfortable 10C below maximum when you're
   >>>>operating 20C under maximum ambient then you're going to be 10C too hot
   >>>>when the ambient is AT maximum.
   >>>>
   >>>>The issue is more iffy when overclocking because there's no longer an
   >>>>official maximum temperature "spec" since, odds are, the maximum temp it
   >>>>will operate at is less than the Intel spec. Plus, with increase Vcore
   >>>
 > and
 >
   >>>>heat dissipation, the Intel maximum temp spec is no longer as safe
   >>>>(lifespan reduction) as when it's operated at stock conditions.
   >>>>
   >>>>Overclockers are trading off how hot ambient can be and have it still
   >>>
 > run,
 >
   >>>>plus lifespan, to get the faster speeds. e.g. While a stock system might
   >>>>operate merrily along up to 104F an overclocked one might not get past
   >>>
   >>>80F.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>A stock P4 will throttle the speed back when it gets too hot. On the
   >>>
 > other
 >
   >>>>hand, when one is overclocking it might lock up before it gets
   >>>
 > throttled.
 >
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
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working on that right now, but funds are an issue. I do have backup fully
set though so won't be to big an issue.
"David Maynard" <dNOTmayn.TakeThisOut@ev1.net> wrote in message
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 > Dave M wrote:
  > > I was able to get chkdsk to repair ir after a full format. took a few
tries
  > > but I ghosted everything from spare drive today. seems ok now......
 >
 > If what you mean is that a chkdsk surface scan finally marked all the bad
 > sectors then I'd strongly suggest you consider getting a new drive because
 > once they start getting bad sectors they go downhill fast.
 >
  > > "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn.TakeThisOut@ev1.net> wrote in message
  > > news:3F8AF77E.9050005@ev1.net...
  > >
   > >>Dave M wrote:
   > >>
   > >>>due to drive failure (whats that cricket sound???) it took me a few to
   > >>
  > > read
  > >
   > >>>these.
   > >>
   > >>Sorry to hear that. Literally. I am always sorry when I hear that
   > >>
   > >>The guts, opened up and put in a wall mount shadow box frame, makes for
a
   > >>nice computer geek display though.
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>>thanks for the info all, it is very helpful.
   > >>>"David Maynard" <dNOTmayn.TakeThisOut@ev1.net> wrote in message
   > >>>news:3F8481C6.6080207@ev1.net...
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>>Dave M wrote:
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>>>Thanks, what temp should I start to worry at? or is that to
depepndent
   > >>>>
   > >>>on
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>>>configuration to say?
   > >>>>>appreciate it
   > >>>>
   > >>>>Yes. It "depends."
   > >>>>
   > >>>>Take stock to begin with. The Intel data sheet will tell you what the
   > >>>>maximum operating temperature is and then you, yourself, specify what
   > >>>
  > > the
  > >
   > >>>>maximum ambient you want the computer to be able to operation in is.
Max
   > >>>>CPU temp minus the max ambient you want to operate in is then your
   > >>>>temperature budget; which includes case temp rise and the heatsink
   > >>>>efficiency. Clearly, your CPU temperature can be 'in range" when the
   > >>>>ambient is low but not good enough for when ambient rises to your
   > >>>
  > > defined
  > >
   > >>>>maximum. I.E. If your CPU is a comfortable 10C below maximum when
you're
   > >>>>operating 20C under maximum ambient then you're going to be 10C too
hot
   > >>>>when the ambient is AT maximum.
   > >>>>
   > >>>>The issue is more iffy when overclocking because there's no longer an
   > >>>>official maximum temperature "spec" since, odds are, the maximum temp
it
   > >>>>will operate at is less than the Intel spec. Plus, with increase Vcore
   > >>>
  > > and
  > >
   > >>>>heat dissipation, the Intel maximum temp spec is no longer as safe
   > >>>>(lifespan reduction) as when it's operated at stock conditions.
   > >>>>
   > >>>>Overclockers are trading off how hot ambient can be and have it still
   > >>>
  > > run,
  > >
   > >>>>plus lifespan, to get the faster speeds. e.g. While a stock system
might
   > >>>>operate merrily along up to 104F an overclocked one might not get past
   > >>>
   > >>>80F.
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>>A stock P4 will throttle the speed back when it gets too hot. On the
   > >>>
  > > other
  > >
   > >>>>hand, when one is overclocking it might lock up before it gets
   > >>>
  > > throttled.
  > >
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
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Dave M wrote:
 > working on that right now, but funds are an issue. I do have backup fully
 > set though so won't be to big an issue.

Know what you mean. I finally broke down and got a 120 gig as they're on
sale at Office Max for 80 bucks after rebate.

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 >
  >>Dave M wrote:
  >>
   >>>I was able to get chkdsk to repair ir after a full format. took a few
  >>
 > tries
 >
   >>>but I ghosted everything from spare drive today. seems ok now......
  >>
  >>If what you mean is that a chkdsk surface scan finally marked all the bad
  >>sectors then I'd strongly suggest you consider getting a new drive because
  >>once they start getting bad sectors they go downhill fast.
  >>
  >>
   >>>"David Maynard" <dNOTmayn RemoveThis @ev1.net> wrote in message
   >>>news:3F8AF77E.9050005@ev1.net...
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>Dave M wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>>due to drive failure (whats that cricket sound???) it took me a few to
   >>>>
   >>>read
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>>these.
   >>>>
   >>>>Sorry to hear that. Literally. I am always sorry when I hear that
   >>>>
   >>>>The guts, opened up and put in a wall mount shadow box frame, makes for
   >>>
 > a
 >
   >>>>nice computer geek display though.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>>thanks for the info all, it is very helpful.
   >>>>>"David Maynard" <dNOTmayn RemoveThis @ev1.net> wrote in message
   >>>>>news:3F8481C6.6080207@ev1.net...
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>>Dave M wrote:
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>>Thanks, what temp should I start to worry at? or is that to
   >>>>>>
 > depepndent
 >
   >>>>>on
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>>>configuration to say?
   >>>>>>>appreciate it
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>Yes. It "depends."
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>Take stock to begin with. The Intel data sheet will tell you what the
   >>>>>>maximum operating temperature is and then you, yourself, specify what
   >>>>>
   >>>the
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>>>maximum ambient you want the computer to be able to operation in is.
   >>>>>
 > Max
 >
   >>>>>>CPU temp minus the max ambient you want to operate in is then your
   >>>>>>temperature budget; which includes case temp rise and the heatsink
   >>>>>>efficiency. Clearly, your CPU temperature can be 'in range" when the
   >>>>>>ambient is low but not good enough for when ambient rises to your
   >>>>>
   >>>defined
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>>>maximum. I.E. If your CPU is a comfortable 10C below maximum when
   >>>>>
 > you're
 >
   >>>>>>operating 20C under maximum ambient then you're going to be 10C too
   >>>>>
 > hot
 >
   >>>>>>when the ambient is AT maximum.
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>The issue is more iffy when overclocking because there's no longer an
   >>>>>>official maximum temperature "spec" since, odds are, the maximum temp
   >>>>>
 > it
 >
   >>>>>>will operate at is less than the Intel spec. Plus, with increase Vcore
   >>>>>
   >>>and
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>>>heat dissipation, the Intel maximum temp spec is no longer as safe
   >>>>>>(lifespan reduction) as when it's operated at stock conditions.
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>Overclockers are trading off how hot ambient can be and have it still
   >>>>>
   >>>run,
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>>>plus lifespan, to get the faster speeds. e.g. While a stock system
   >>>>>
 > might
 >
   >>>>>>operate merrily along up to 104F an overclocked one might not get past
   >>>>>
   >>>>>80F.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>>A stock P4 will throttle the speed back when it gets too hot. On the
   >>>>>
   >>>other
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>>>hand, when one is overclocking it might lock up before it gets
   >>>>>
   >>>throttled.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
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