VIA twin-core processor

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:23:29 -0400, George Macdonald
<fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:
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 >On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:55:55 -0400, "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67.TakeThisOut@ezrs.com> wrote:
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  >>http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id%3B311116776%3Bfp%3B2%3Bfpid%3B1
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 >Hmm, this initial effort looks more like a MCM compared with what Intel &
 >AMD are doing. I wonder how that -- a twin core -- will sit with M$'s dual
 >core processor policy?

My understanding of the MS' licensing policy is 1 socket = 1 CPU
license, so this MCM would still just be single "chip". Of course,
I'm sure that Microsoft's actual policy will end up being ~100 pages
long, impossible to read without an entire team of lawyers and still
subject to change on a whim, so I don't know that it will matter much.

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George Macdonald wrote:
 > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:55:55 -0400, "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67.DeleteThis@ezrs.com>
 > wrote:
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<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id%3B311116776%3Bfp%3B2%3Bfpid%3B1</font" target="_blank">http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id%3B311116776%3Bfp%3B2%3Bfpid...1</f</a>>
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 > Hmm, this initial effort looks more like a MCM compared with what
 > Intel & AMD are doing. I wonder how that -- a twin core -- will sit
 > with M$'s dual core processor policy?

If they use the Hyperthreading API, then MS will simply think it's a single
processor.

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George Macdonald wrote:
 >
 > Hmm, this initial effort looks more like a MCM compared with what
 > Intel & AMD are doing. I wonder how that -- a twin core -- will sit
 > with M$'s dual core processor policy?

George, I think the reporter misunderstood what the Via guy was
explaining to him. MCMs are damned expensive, just for the package -
and expensive is not Via's thing at all. I believe this thing is one
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:08:55 GMT, "Felger Carbon" <fmsfnf.TakeThisOut@jfoops.net>
wrote:

 >George Macdonald wrote:
  >>
  >> Hmm, this initial effort looks more like a MCM compared with what
  >> Intel & AMD are doing. I wonder how that -- a twin core -- will sit
  >> with M$'s dual core processor policy?
 >
 >George, I think the reporter misunderstood what the Via guy was
 >explaining to him. MCMs are damned expensive, just for the package -
 >and expensive is not Via's thing at all. I believe this thing is one
 >chip/dual core all the way, esp. at 90 nanometers.

Hmm, maybe a mini-MCM??... hard to tell if they intended to do the "twin
core" on a sinlge die or not.

Slightly OT: this will go down very well in their target market of PRC and
other far-east countries. I dunno if you've seen what the Chinese font
sets do to performance of a single CPU; having a 2nd CPU to handle things
will be a big win.

Rgds, George Macdonald

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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:08:55 +0000, Felger Carbon wrote:

 > George Macdonald wrote:
  >>
  >> Hmm, this initial effort looks more like a MCM compared with what
  >> Intel & AMD are doing. I wonder how that -- a twin core -- will sit
  >> with M$'s dual core processor policy?
 >
 > George, I think the reporter misunderstood what the Via guy was
 > explaining to him. MCMs are damned expensive, just for the package -
 > and expensive is not Via's thing at all. I believe this thing is one
 > chip/dual core all the way, esp. at 90 nanometers.

I found this amazing, as well. Not only are MCM packages *extremely*
expensice (particularly for the bottom-feeeeders like Via), but the yeald
loss isn't pretty either. Shirly they're not that hard up!

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