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Brett Caton

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:55 am
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I bought windows xp service pack 2, because MS told me that they
wouldn't support windows ME anymore. Once I installed it, I had huge
crashes to power off whenever I tried to use my DVD drive or cd drive in
windows. It worked fine in linux.

I updated firmwares for everything I could, downloaded every latest
windows driver, tested copying from one hard drive to the other (fine),
tested I could actually install games by copying the whole cd to a fat
partition when i was in linux, and then reboot into windows...

Unfortunately copy protection was causing problems with some games when
i try that. I really wanted to have a working windows system so i
gritted my teeth and contacted Microsoft Technical Support. I was told
to do pretty much what I had already done. I even wiped windows and
redid the whole install. Nada. Finally they said I must be using
incompatible hardware, and that the DVD and CD drive should have a
proprietary driver, and closed the case.

"1. How to determine if a part is compatible in the future
To do this, when you purchase any new hardware it should come
with a logo stating that it is compatible with Windows XP"

I have contacted various CD and DVD manufacturers and they all say they
don't use proprietary drivers, they use the windows ones.

The ASUS DRW-1608P2S has a picture of the xp logo, with "designed for
Microsoft Windows XP". It doesn't mention being compatible. Is this the
same thing? There used to be a Hardware Compatibility List on the
Microsoft site but MS has removed it.

I have never seen a motherboard with such a logo, or a hard drive. I
suspect this is all a motherboard (ECS K7VZA) issue; that the windows
driver for IDE and the one from Elitegroup driver for XP might both be
buggy. Is this reasonable or is there something I am missing? I don't
understand why linux is working fine and windows xp seems so unstable.

I am thinking about buying a new mainboard, but that means essentially
buying a new pc now, and that means I've wasted my money buying XP in
the first place. It certainly makes it a lot harder to buy parts and
assemble your own machine if you are using windows. Maybe that is
deliberate? I read a lot of rumours that Microsoft hates people building
boxes because of DRM. I really don't want to buy an expensive Dell PC or
similar but I don't know how else to guarantee it will run windows!

Thanks for reading this, and I hope to read your comments.

Brett Caton.

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Paul Murphy

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:55 am
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"Brett Caton" <bcatonremovethisbit.DeleteThis@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>I bought windows xp service pack 2, because MS told me that they wouldn't
>support windows ME anymore. Once I installed it, I had huge crashes to
>power off whenever I tried to use my DVD drive or cd drive in windows. It
>worked fine in linux.
>
> I updated firmwares for everything I could, downloaded every latest
> windows driver, tested copying from one hard drive to the other (fine),
> tested I could actually install games by copying the whole cd to a fat
> partition when i was in linux, and then reboot into windows...
>
> Unfortunately copy protection was causing problems with some games when i
> try that. I really wanted to have a working windows system so i gritted my
> teeth and contacted Microsoft Technical Support. I was told to do pretty
> much what I had already done. I even wiped windows and redid the whole
> install. Nada. Finally they said I must be using incompatible hardware,
> and that the DVD and CD drive should have a proprietary driver, and closed
> the case.
>
> "1. How to determine if a part is compatible in the future
> To do this, when you purchase any new hardware it should come
> with a logo stating that it is compatible with Windows XP"
>
> I have contacted various CD and DVD manufacturers and they all say they
> don't use proprietary drivers, they use the windows ones.
>
> The ASUS DRW-1608P2S has a picture of the xp logo, with "designed for
> Microsoft Windows XP". It doesn't mention being compatible. Is this the
> same thing? There used to be a Hardware Compatibility List on the
> Microsoft site but MS has removed it.
>
> I have never seen a motherboard with such a logo, or a hard drive. I
> suspect this is all a motherboard (ECS K7VZA) issue; that the windows
> driver for IDE and the one from Elitegroup driver for XP might both be
> buggy. Is this reasonable or is there something I am missing? I don't
> understand why linux is working fine and windows xp seems so unstable.
>
> I am thinking about buying a new mainboard, but that means essentially
> buying a new pc now, and that means I've wasted my money buying XP in the
> first place. It certainly makes it a lot harder to buy parts and assemble
> your own machine if you are using windows. Maybe that is deliberate? I
> read a lot of rumours that Microsoft hates people building boxes because
> of DRM. I really don't want to buy an expensive Dell PC or similar but I
> don't know how else to guarantee it will run windows!
>
> Thanks for reading this, and I hope to read your comments.
>
> Brett Caton.

Windows XP will be more taxing on a PC than Windows ME as there's allot more
to it. Consequently it will often show up any "weaknesses" with hardware.
By this I don't mean that your hardware wont work with Windows XP but that
there may be something not correctly configured or connected. There are a
myriad of possible issues that cause such behaviour, an IDE cable partly
disconnected, incorrect BIOS settings or a PSU on the way out are just 3
examples,.Did you access the insides of the PC at all during the upgrades?

Microsoft do have HCLs for "compatible" hardware but its not exhaustive so
just because something may not be there, doesn't mean it wont work. My
suggestion is that there is something wrong with your hardware set-up and it
would be best rather than spending money on another motherboard which may
not be required, to take it to someone you trust who's experienced at
repairing PCs, perhaps your local computer shop. There are some things such
as BIOS setting configuration which shouldn't be attempted unless you have
the required knowledge and experience. Similarly firmware and BIOS upgrades
can cause problems unless the updates are done perfectly correctly.

Paul

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Tom Byrne

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:55 am
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> ...My suggestion is that there is something wrong with your hardware set-up...

If the hardware is at fault then why does it work perfectly under Linux?
This is actually an interesting situation - a few years ago it used to be
the case that setting up many types of hardware under Linux was a pain in
the ... now it appears Windows is the problem...
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Paul Murphy

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:55 am
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"Tom Byrne" <tom_byrne22.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> ...My suggestion is that there is something wrong with your hardware
>> set-up...
>
> If the hardware is at fault then why does it work perfectly under Linux?
> This is actually an interesting situation - a few years ago it used to be
> the case that setting up many types of hardware under Linux was a pain in
> the ... now it appears Windows is the problem...

Because as I explained with Win XP vs. ME, Win XP taxes hardware more than
some other OSs. I used to work as a computer tech for a school and when
upgrading PCs from Win 98SE to XP Pro (back when XP first came out - Pentium
II 450 MHz times), there were some machines that started misbehaving under
XP which had worked fine under 98SE. I stand by my above suggestion and it
does sound to me like this PC needs a professional to look at it. Money is
best spent on this before any other (possibly unnecessary) replacements are
made.

Paul
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Brett Caton

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:55 am
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p.s. I can watch DVDs on my system fine. "Serenity" and "Scrubs" without
a hitch.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:55 am
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"Brett Caton" <bcatonremovethisbit RemoveThis @bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> p.s. I can watch DVDs on my system fine. "Serenity" and "Scrubs" without a
> hitch.

I don't believe its a registry issue at all (and there aren't filter keys
there on my XP Pro SP2 machine either). As you rightly mentioned, windows
will take care of the correct registry settings when its freshly installed
as you've done. If its only some DVDs that cause crashing on your machine,
then possibly the DVDs are faulty? Have you tried the suspect DVDs on other
machines or hiring new DVDs to test on yours? Additionally the DVD drive may
need a little maintenance (again a job for experienced/trained people) if
its been in use for some time in a dusty environment. Are you getting any
read errors before the crashes? Often in these cases you'd hear the DVD
repeatedly cycling in speed in an attempt to read the needed data. Just
because everything seems to work fine in one OS and not in another does not
mean that the hardware setup is all fine.

Given that you were considering spending money on parts, what's wrong with
spending money getting it professionally diagnosed first to ensure those
parts are actually needed and its not something trivial/cheap causing the
issue? I'm sure if you let them know what you've tried already, they'll also
look at hardware/BIOS configuration issues as being possible causes.

Paul
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Brett Caton

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:55 am
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Paul Murphy wrote:
> "Brett Caton" <bcatonremovethisbit.RemoveThis@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:tAuWf.19382$dy4.18696@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> p.s. I can watch DVDs on my system fine. "Serenity" and "Scrubs" without a
>> hitch.
>
> I don't believe its a registry issue at all (and there aren't filter keys
> there on my XP Pro SP2 machine either). As you rightly mentioned, windows
> will take care of the correct registry settings when its freshly installed
> as you've done. If its only some DVDs that cause crashing on your machine,
> then possibly the DVDs are faulty? Have you tried the suspect DVDs on other
> machines or hiring new DVDs to test on yours? Additionally the DVD drive may
> need a little maintenance (again a job for experienced/trained people) if
> its been in use for some time in a dusty environment. Are you getting any
> read errors before the crashes? Often in these cases you'd hear the DVD
> repeatedly cycling in speed in an attempt to read the needed data. Just
> because everything seems to work fine in one OS and not in another does not
> mean that the hardware setup is all fine.
>
> Given that you were considering spending money on parts, what's wrong with
> spending money getting it professionally diagnosed first to ensure those
> parts are actually needed and its not something trivial/cheap causing the
> issue? I'm sure if you let them know what you've tried already, they'll also
> look at hardware/BIOS configuration issues as being possible causes.
>
> Paul
>
>
The DVDs work fine if I boot under Ubuntu, and I've been playing civ 4
by copying to a shared partition under it and then rebooting to xp.
Also, the same problem has occurred with my older DVD drive and the
creative CD-RW which the ASUS DVD-RW replaced.

I have installed games from CD. I have burnt a few files onto cd but
they often have CRC errors assuming I don't get the crash to power off.
If I burn the same files under Ubuntu, no errors, no crashes and no
problems installing them and using them under XP.

Microsoft's professional opinion was either the hardware is not windows
xp compatible or Ubuntu is somehow responsible. The latter I found
bizarre but I guess their techs aren't really familiar with any other
operating system than their own. The proof of compatibility is
supposedly in that the hardware has the xp logo on the front. The ASUS
DRW-160892S has such a logo, but I haven't yet seen a mainboard with it
on, let alone a hard drive. If I replace the mainboard, apparently the
lot has to go as standards are so different (eg SATA, PCI-Express).

I've already been to one shop and they just told me to buy a new pc. The
cost per hour of investigating was not worth it, he said. I could try
another shop but I'm not really sure I'd ever get a different answer. My
experience of tech support at PC shops has been poor.

For the time being, I'll just use Ubuntu to swap files from DVD to HD
and install from there.

Thanks for the advice guys, much appreciated!

Brett.
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