Just wondering, can KT7A support older AGP 1X cards?

And if it doesn't plug in? That means it won't work! Common sense;-)

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"DaveL" <dave1027.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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 > Look in the agp slot. Do you see one divider or two? Now look at your
 > RageXL card. Do you see one gap or two? Rule of thumb is, if it plugs in
 > ok then it will work.
 >
 > Dave
 >
 >
 > "Asestar" <a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o> wrote in message
 > news:WyJ7c.61407$BD3.8441004@juliett.dax.net...
  > > My radeon8500le is about to die, or I suspect it's that what is crashing
  > > *all* my D3D games. Giving blue-screen-of-death 3-5 minute into
gameplay,
  > > saying Hardware Device Error. or something like that.
  > >
  > > Any way, I wanted to test rest of system using an older card, RageXL
AGP.
  > > just to see if it's a radeon 8500 who's at fault, and not something
else.
  > >
  > > So my question, Can I use RageXL (agp 1x i think, max. 2X) on KT7A which
 > is
  > > rev. 1.0-1.2, using A9 bios?
  > >
  > >
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Fair enough.. I hope it's really that simple

"CB" <CB.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
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 > And if it doesn't plug in? That means it won't work! Common sense;-)
 >
 > --
 > Craven Birds
 >
 > Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks.
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 >
 > "DaveL" <dave1027.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
 > news:yaadnQTjMvfh4MLdRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
  > > Look in the agp slot. Do you see one divider or two? Now look at your
  > > RageXL card. Do you see one gap or two? Rule of thumb is, if it plugs
in
  > > ok then it will work.
  > >
  > > Dave
  > >
  > >
  > > "Asestar" <a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o> wrote in message
  > > news:WyJ7c.61407$BD3.8441004@juliett.dax.net...
   > > > My radeon8500le is about to die, or I suspect it's that what is
crashing
   > > > *all* my D3D games. Giving blue-screen-of-death 3-5 minute into
 > gameplay,
   > > > saying Hardware Device Error. or something like that.
   > > >
   > > > Any way, I wanted to test rest of system using an older card, RageXL
 > AGP.
   > > > just to see if it's a radeon 8500 who's at fault, and not something
 > else.
   > > >
   > > > So my question, Can I use RageXL (agp 1x i think, max. 2X) on KT7A
which
  > > is
   > > > rev. 1.0-1.2, using A9 bios?
   > > >
   > > >
  > >
 >
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Jeez, now I see why that "Hacksaw mod" didn't work!


"Asestar" <a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o> wrote in message
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 > Fair enough.. I hope it's really that simple
 >
 > "CB" <CB.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message
 > news:c3o0kg$4jk$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
  > > And if it doesn't plug in? That means it won't work! Common sense;-)
  > >
  > > --
  > > Craven Birds
  > >
  > > Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks.
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  > >
  > > "DaveL" <dave1027.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
  > > news:yaadnQTjMvfh4MLdRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
   > > > Look in the agp slot. Do you see one divider or two? Now look at
your
   > > > RageXL card. Do you see one gap or two? Rule of thumb is, if it
plugs
 > in
   > > > ok then it will work.
   > > >
   > > > Dave
   > > >
   > > >
   > > > "Asestar" <a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o> wrote in message
   > > > news:WyJ7c.61407$BD3.8441004@juliett.dax.net...
   > > > > My radeon8500le is about to die, or I suspect it's that what is
 > crashing
   > > > > *all* my D3D games. Giving blue-screen-of-death 3-5 minute into
  > > gameplay,
   > > > > saying Hardware Device Error. or something like that.
   > > > >
   > > > > Any way, I wanted to test rest of system using an older card, RageXL
  > > AGP.
   > > > > just to see if it's a radeon 8500 who's at fault, and not something
  > > else.
   > > > >
   > > > > So my question, Can I use RageXL (agp 1x i think, max. 2X) on KT7A
 > which
   > > > is
   > > > > rev. 1.0-1.2, using A9 bios?
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > >
  > >
  > >
 >
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 >My radeon8500le is about to die, or I suspect it's that what is crashing
 >*all* my D3D games. Giving blue-screen-of-death 3-5 minute into gameplay,
 >saying Hardware Device Error. or something like that.
 >
 >Any way, I wanted to test rest of system using an older card, RageXL AGP.
 >just to see if it's a radeon 8500 who's at fault, and not something else.
 >
 >So my question, Can I use RageXL (agp 1x i think, max. 2X) on KT7A which is
 >rev. 1.0-1.2, using A9 bios?

I agree with what the others said, if it fits it should work. However
it may not necessarily be your video card, it could be a number of
other things, unless there's something else that's leading you to
believe it's just the video card.

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1 thing is that is only crashes when running 3d games. Sound goes into an
small, repetitive infinite loop, with bsod shown. Before I used to get bsod
about atidvag file cause error, now just hardware malfunction.
I ran memtest for 4-5 hours, and it ran fine.

My other prime suspect (other than radeon) is this motherboard. I think I
scraped a screwdriver slightly when trying to install SpireWhisperrock6 on
new cpu (Duron1600) a month ago.
It supposedly touched the board between cpu and agp slot, (if it did). But i
could not find any visible signs of damage on board itself, looked very
carefully. No missing or damaged stuff on board. However it was about than
when crashes started.

This board has already fried 1 gfx card, a Gainward GeForce2 GTS 64mb 3
months ago. So it's quite possible this radeon is in line for next fry.


"GlassVial" <glassvial DeleteThis @NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  > >My radeon8500le is about to die, or I suspect it's that what is crashing
  > >*all* my D3D games. Giving blue-screen-of-death 3-5 minute into gameplay,
  > >saying Hardware Device Error. or something like that.
  > >
  > >Any way, I wanted to test rest of system using an older card, RageXL AGP.
  > >just to see if it's a radeon 8500 who's at fault, and not something else.
  > >
  > >So my question, Can I use RageXL (agp 1x i think, max. 2X) on KT7A which
is
  > >rev. 1.0-1.2, using A9 bios?
 >
 > I agree with what the others said, if it fits it should work. However
 > it may not necessarily be your video card, it could be a number of
 > other things, unless there's something else that's leading you to
 > believe it's just the video card.
 >
 > -GV
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"Asestar" <a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o> wrote in message
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 > 1 thing is that is only crashes when running 3d games. Sound goes into an
 > small, repetitive infinite loop, with bsod shown. Before I used to get
bsod
 > about atidvag file cause error, now just hardware malfunction.
 > I ran memtest for 4-5 hours, and it ran fine.
 >
 > My other prime suspect (other than radeon) is this motherboard. I think I
 > scraped a screwdriver slightly when trying to install SpireWhisperrock6 on
 > new cpu (Duron1600) a month ago.
 > It supposedly touched the board between cpu and agp slot, (if it did). But
i
 > could not find any visible signs of damage on board itself, looked very
 > carefully. No missing or damaged stuff on board. However it was about than
 > when crashes started.
 >
 > This board has already fried 1 gfx card, a Gainward GeForce2 GTS 64mb 3
 > months ago. So it's quite possible this radeon is in line for next fry.
 >
 >


Asestar

Memtest works for 4-5 hours fine. What does prime95 do for 4-5 hours ?
My KT7A runs memtest @ 2250 MHz for hours but I have to run @ 2000
MHz with prime95 to get hours of success.

eric

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Asestar wrote:
 > 1 thing is that is only crashes when running 3d games. Sound goes into an
 > small, repetitive infinite loop, with bsod shown. Before I used to get bsod
 > about atidvag file cause error, now just hardware malfunction.
 > I ran memtest for 4-5 hours, and it ran fine.
 >

Infinite sound loops and a BSOD? Let me guess, you have a Soundblaster
card and are running Win9x/Me. If so, make sure that the SB has an IRQ
all to itself. It won't play nice with other hardware. You might have
to change its' PCI slot to do so. Try Slot 2 or 6. Also make sure you
have the latest drivers.

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I'd cautiously suspect the PSU. If you upgraded your CPU (which more
than likely draws more wattage than your old CPU) and didn't change
out your PSU, and if video cards aren't getting enough juice, well,
that could be the problem. You didn't mention what the wattage on
your PSU was or what type it is or how old it is, but that's a
possibility. There's only a few software things to try (hey why not,
it's free) and those are the VIA 4-in-1 drivers, the VIA latency patch
and obviously the latest drivers from ATI. Oh, and the latest bios
for the board as well. I suspect it's not a software issue, but then
again, it doesn't cost anything to try.

 >1 thing is that is only crashes when running 3d games. Sound goes into an
 >small, repetitive infinite loop, with bsod shown. Before I used to get bsod
 >about atidvag file cause error, now just hardware malfunction.
 >I ran memtest for 4-5 hours, and it ran fine.
 >
 >My other prime suspect (other than radeon) is this motherboard. I think I
 >scraped a screwdriver slightly when trying to install SpireWhisperrock6 on
 >new cpu (Duron1600) a month ago.
 >It supposedly touched the board between cpu and agp slot, (if it did). But i
 >could not find any visible signs of damage on board itself, looked very
 >carefully. No missing or damaged stuff on board. However it was about than
 >when crashes started.
 >
 >This board has already fried 1 gfx card, a Gainward GeForce2 GTS 64mb 3
 >months ago. So it's quite possible this radeon is in line for next fry.

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Ehmm.. Your guess is almost spot on. It's an oem version of SB Live Digital,
currently running on latest WEB drivers from creative. But OS is not Win9x,
it's on XP SP1 prof.
I tried moving it around pci's a bit.

Can you please tell me which slot is nr. 2 or 6?
I know there is agp on top, then comes PCI slot 0 or slot 1? (i'm confused
about DIMM and PCI numbering)

Here is current situation:
AGP - Radeon8500LE
PCI - Free
PCI - Ethernett 100mbit
PCI - SB Live Digital
PCI - Ethernett 10mbit
PCI - Free
ISA - Free.. useless



 > Infinite sound loops and a BSOD? Let me guess, you have a Soundblaster
 > card and are running Win9x/Me. If so, make sure that the SB has an IRQ
 > all to itself. It won't play nice with other hardware. You might have
 > to change its' PCI slot to do so. Try Slot 2 or 6. Also make sure you
 > have the latest drivers.
 >
 > Enkidu<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Asestar wrote:

 > Ehmm.. Your guess is almost spot on. It's an oem version of SB Live Digital,
 > currently running on latest WEB drivers from creative. But OS is not Win9x,
 > it's on XP SP1 prof.
 > I tried moving it around pci's a bit.
 >
 > Can you please tell me which slot is nr. 2 or 6?
 > I know there is agp on top, then comes PCI slot 0 or slot 1? (i'm confused
 > about DIMM and PCI numbering)
 >
 > Here is current situation:
 > AGP - Radeon8500LE
 > PCI - Free
 > PCI - Ethernett 100mbit
 > PCI - SB Live Digital
 > PCI - Ethernett 10mbit
 > PCI - Free
 > ISA - Free.. useless
 >


Asestar,

The first slot, the one that shares an opening with the AGP card is
PCI slot 1. The last one next to the ISA slot is PCI 6. With WinXP you
should be okay. Its handling of IRQs is much more robust than with
earlier versions and normally there is no problem. I have the AGP, all
but PCI 1, and the ISA filled without any hiccups.

However, you appear to have your sound card in PCI 4, which shares
IRQs with the USB controllers (see page 3-42 of your User's Manual).
It may be that intermittent polling of the USB ports is conflicting
with the sound card when under stress? Since it is a free slot, it
wouldn't hurt to try the slot next to the ISA. Also make sure your
Radeon 8500 LE is firmly seated (don't push too hard) and is nicely
level. I use this card on my KT7A and it works flawlessly.

FYI, DIMM slots are numbered 1 through 3. The first is closest to the
on board IDE controllers. I find my best configuration to be two chips
slots 2 and 3, contrary to what the User's Manual suggests. Three
DIMMs takes some tweaking.

Good luck,

Enkidu





 >
 >
 >
  >>Infinite sound loops and a BSOD? Let me guess, you have a Soundblaster
  >>card and are running Win9x/Me. If so, make sure that the SB has an IRQ
  >>all to itself. It won't play nice with other hardware. You might have
  >>to change its' PCI slot to do so. Try Slot 2 or 6. Also make sure you
  >>have the latest drivers.
  >>
  >>Enkidu
 >
 >
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Thanks GlassVial, helpfull as ever.

I did suspected it to be a psu issue, but not sure.
 > I'd cautiously suspect the PSU. If you upgraded your CPU (which more
 > than likely draws more wattage than your old CPU) and didn't change

I upgraded from Duron1300MHz (morgan core, uses 1.650v) to Duron1600 MHz
(applebred, uses 1.500V) and became unstable.

 > out your PSU, and if video cards aren't getting enough juice, well,
 > that could be the problem. You didn't mention what the wattage on
 > your PSU was or what type it is or how old it is, but that's a
 > possibility.

PSU came with my El-cheapo chassis, Q-TEC L-MD black, with provided 300W
psu. it was bought in december2003, and still under waranty. However,
graphic card, radeon8500, does NOT require extra power cable or anything,
just draw power from agp slot all alone.

 >There's only a few software things to try (hey why not,
 > it's free) and those are the VIA 4-in-1 drivers, the VIA latency patch
 > and obviously the latest drivers from ATI. Oh, and the latest bios
 > for the board as well. I suspect it's not a software issue, but then
 > again, it doesn't cost anything to try.

As for software, thanks, i already have via-4in1 , ati catalyst 4.2, and
latency patch.

Currently VIA HM reports this voltage: under XP:

V-core : 1.50V
3.3 value: 3.38V
5V value: 4.80V
12V : 11.83V

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 >Thanks GlassVial, helpfull as ever.

I try. Doesn't always mean I'm right, but I try

 >I did suspected it to be a psu issue, but not sure.

It's possible. PSU's that come with cases just aren't what they used
to be.

 >I upgraded from Duron1300MHz (morgan core, uses 1.650v) to Duron1600 MHz
 >(applebred, uses 1.500V) and became unstable.

According to this site:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/" target="_blank">http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/</a>

Durons are all 25W, so maybe that doesn't matter (PS: check that site
out) Did you say you ran memtest86 on this setup already? And I'm
talking about this one (the "new" one):

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.memtest86.com/" target="_blank">http://www.memtest86.com/</a>

 >PSU came with my El-cheapo chassis, Q-TEC L-MD black, with provided 300W
 >psu. it was bought in december2003, and still under waranty. However,
 >graphic card, radeon8500, does NOT require extra power cable or anything,
 >just draw power from agp slot all alone.

Check out the site above to see what you're drawing vs. what you have.
If you have a friend who'll let you borrow another PSU just to try it,
that might be an idea, or perhaps if you have someplace in town with a
liberal return policy, I know Staples carries antec PSU's, those are
supposed to be good.

 >As for software, thanks, i already have via-4in1 , ati catalyst 4.2, and
 >latency patch.

Ok good.

 >Currently VIA HM reports this voltage: under XP:
 >
 >V-core : 1.50V
 >3.3 value: 3.38V
 >5V value: 4.80V
 >12V : 11.83V
 >
 >So should I upgrade psu? Also can I rma psu if it supplies not enough
 >voltage?

The 5v and 12v are the ones you need to worry about. Those numbers
don't look too bad (at least I don't think so, I've seen much worse)
I'm not sure about RMA'ing a PSU if not enough voltage, that's at the
discretion of whomever you purchased it from.

I saw the suggestion about moving the cards around, and that's also a
good idea. I specifically stopped buying creative cards a long time
ago due to their driver problems and overall pickyness. I got fed up
with it. I can get just as good quality sound cards that play nice
for much less money. The old troubleshooting methodology of removing
any unnecessary cards would also seem to apply, if that card is that
picky that it needs its own IRQ, you better find it a slot it'll be
happy in.

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Heres a thought..... The SpireWhisperrock6, is that a fan?
If so, make sure you plugged the power in. What could be happening could
also sound like overheating to me.

Example, CPU heats up when playing 3D games causing system to crash.

Could the fan be faulty and not spinning fast enough?

This happened to me once. Couldnt figure it out. Luckily the heatsink could
take the heat at idle but when stressing the CPU it would overheat and
crash.

Just a thought.

Either way, good luck to you.....

Scott


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"Asestar" <a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o> wrote in message
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 > 1 thing is that is only crashes when running 3d games. Sound goes into an
 > small, repetitive infinite loop, with bsod shown. Before I used to get
bsod
 > about atidvag file cause error, now just hardware malfunction.
 > I ran memtest for 4-5 hours, and it ran fine.
 >
 > My other prime suspect (other than radeon) is this motherboard. I think I
 > scraped a screwdriver slightly when trying to install SpireWhisperrock6 on
 > new cpu (Duron1600) a month ago.
 > It supposedly touched the board between cpu and agp slot, (if it did). But
i
 > could not find any visible signs of damage on board itself, looked very
 > carefully. No missing or damaged stuff on board. However it was about than
 > when crashes started.
 >
 > This board has already fried 1 gfx card, a Gainward GeForce2 GTS 64mb 3
 > months ago. So it's quite possible this radeon is in line for next fry.
 >
 >
 > "GlassVial" <glassvial.RemoveThis@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:3sgv509tc1frpiab98gb21bhk050k9qcd2@4ax.com...
   > > >My radeon8500le is about to die, or I suspect it's that what is
crashing
   > > >*all* my D3D games. Giving blue-screen-of-death 3-5 minute into
gameplay,
   > > >saying Hardware Device Error. or something like that.
   > > >
   > > >Any way, I wanted to test rest of system using an older card, RageXL
AGP.
   > > >just to see if it's a radeon 8500 who's at fault, and not something
else.
   > > >
   > > >So my question, Can I use RageXL (agp 1x i think, max. 2X) on KT7A
which
 > is
   > > >rev. 1.0-1.2, using A9 bios?
  > >
  > > I agree with what the others said, if it fits it should work. However
  > > it may not necessarily be your video card, it could be a number of
  > > other things, unless there's something else that's leading you to
  > > believe it's just the video card.
  > >
  > > -GV
  > >
 >
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