Is this worth building?

Thanks

Which CPU is cheap and will OC well at stock cooling?



bob



"Brett Kline" <m5i4.TakeThisOut@16m76ydi.ljf> wrote in message
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> Bob Johnson wrote:
>> My nephew gave me an Asus A8N-E MB and a 7900GT vid card from his old
>> system. I've never done AMD before.
>>
>> What would be a cheap OC build for this including best bang for the
>> buck CPU and memory, if anything?
>>
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145579
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145026
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2+50001028...000343+
>
>
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Bob Johnson wrote:
> Thanks
>
> Which CPU is cheap and will OC well at stock cooling?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103222


You will need a HSF.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103012
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:44:34 -0800, Bob Johnson wrote:

> Thanks
>
> Which CPU is cheap and will OC well at stock cooling?
>
>
>
> bob
>
>
>
> "Brett Kline" <m5i4.DeleteThis@16m76ydi.ljf> wrote in message
> news:fgl273$g1j$1@aioe.org...
>> Bob Johnson wrote:
>>> My nephew gave me an Asus A8N-E MB and a 7900GT vid card from his old
>>> system. I've never done AMD before.
>>>
>>> What would be a cheap OC build for this including best bang for the
>>> buck CPU and memory, if anything?
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145579
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145026
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2+50001028
+40000343+1051707439&name=Socket+939
>>
>>

AMD CPUs don't overclock well with stock cooling. If you want to
overclock then get an Intel Core2, they have a lot more margin in them.
Obviously you'll have to get another motherboard if you go Core2.

The A8N is socket 939 which is an obsolete AMD processor socket, the 939s
are more expensive then the equivalent socket AM2 AMD processors or the
Intel Core2 processors. It also uses DDR RAM instead of DDR2 RAM which is
slower, smaller and more expensive then DDR2 which is what you'll find on
modern motherboards. Unless you're nephew also gave you the RAM and CPU
from his old system then my suggestion would be to chuck the motherboard
and get a Core2 CPU and motherboard. The Core2s are great overclockers
and you can get 2G DDR2 DIMMs if you want to put 8G in the system. Look
on Newegg, I'm pretty sure that if you total up all the components you
need you'll find that a Core2 or socket AM2 system will cost you less
even with the cost of the new motherboard.

The 7900GT on the other hand is fine, it should be more than fast enough
for you.
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General Schvantzkopf wrote:
>
> The 7900GT on the other hand is fine, it should be more than fast
> enough for you.

If the 7900GT is AGP his motherboard choices for Socket 775 are limited.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ytbngp
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I think you're right. I could buy the new C2D 2180?, cheap gskill ram and a
decent MB and be better off and maybe the same money spent.

The vid card is PCI-E so that's good ")

thx

bob




"General Schvantzkopf" <schvantzkopf DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:44:34 -0800, Bob Johnson wrote:
>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Which CPU is cheap and will OC well at stock cooling?
>>
>>
>>
>> bob
>>
>>
>>
>> "Brett Kline" <m5i4 DeleteThis @16m76ydi.ljf> wrote in message
>> news:fgl273$g1j$1@aioe.org...
>>> Bob Johnson wrote:
>>>> My nephew gave me an Asus A8N-E MB and a 7900GT vid card from his old
>>>> system. I've never done AMD before.
>>>>
>>>> What would be a cheap OC build for this including best bang for the
>>>> buck CPU and memory, if anything?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145579
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145026
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2+50001028
> +40000343+1051707439&name=Socket+939
>>>
>>>
>
> AMD CPUs don't overclock well with stock cooling. If you want to
> overclock then get an Intel Core2, they have a lot more margin in them.
> Obviously you'll have to get another motherboard if you go Core2.
>
> The A8N is socket 939 which is an obsolete AMD processor socket, the 939s
> are more expensive then the equivalent socket AM2 AMD processors or the
> Intel Core2 processors. It also uses DDR RAM instead of DDR2 RAM which is
> slower, smaller and more expensive then DDR2 which is what you'll find on
> modern motherboards. Unless you're nephew also gave you the RAM and CPU
> from his old system then my suggestion would be to chuck the motherboard
> and get a Core2 CPU and motherboard. The Core2s are great overclockers
> and you can get 2G DDR2 DIMMs if you want to put 8G in the system. Look
> on Newegg, I'm pretty sure that if you total up all the components you
> need you'll find that a Core2 or socket AM2 system will cost you less
> even with the cost of the new motherboard.
>
> The 7900GT on the other hand is fine, it should be more than fast enough
> for you.
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General Schvantzkopf schrieb:
> The Core2s are great overclockers
> and you can get 2G DDR2 DIMMs if you want to put 8G in the system.

Nobody wants to put 8G into his system.
First off, 32bit versions of windows can barely handle over 3GB RAM.
Second, even if running under Windows Vista 64, which can handle alot
more RAM, there are *very* little applications that can possibly make
use of more than 2GB. And most are very happy with taking up as "little"
as 1GB for themselves, even Crysis.

So, especially for gaming, 8GB is absolutely irrelevant. Everything
above 2GB will currently not, or very rarely, be in use.

I personally downgraded my 3GB RAM to 2GB and sold 2x512MB to a friend.
Of course, benchmarks and Crysis-performance didn't even slightly
change.

Regards,

Daniel Albuschat
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 08:57:08 +0100, Daniel Albuschat wrote:

> General Schvantzkopf schrieb:
>> The Core2s are great overclockers
>> and you can get 2G DDR2 DIMMs if you want to put 8G in the system.
>
> Nobody wants to put 8G into his system. First off, 32bit versions of
> windows can barely handle over 3GB RAM. Second, even if running under
> Windows Vista 64, which can handle alot more RAM, there are *very*
> little applications that can possibly make use of more than 2GB. And
> most are very happy with taking up as "little" as 1GB for themselves,
> even Crysis.
>
> So, especially for gaming, 8GB is absolutely irrelevant. Everything
> above 2GB will currently not, or very rarely, be in use.
>
> I personally downgraded my 3GB RAM to 2GB and sold 2x512MB to a friend.
> Of course, benchmarks and Crysis-performance didn't even slightly
> change.
>
> Regards,
>
> Daniel Albuschat

It's true that XP users can't take advantage of modern hardware and Vista
is such a resource hog that it wastes most of the power of a modern
system but there are other much much better alternatives. I'm running 64
bit Linux which makes very good use of 8G of RAM. I can run multiple
simultaneous simulations or place and routes. If all you are doing is a
little web browsing then you don't need a lot of memory, but if you are
doing any kind of heavy duty computing or if you are running multiple
VMs, then you can easily use 8G.
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On Nov 5, 1:08 pm, General Schvantzkopf <schvantzk....RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> It's true that XP users can't take advantage of modern hardware and Vista
> is such a resource hog that it wastes most of the power of a modern
> system but there are other much much better alternatives. I'm running 64
> bit Linux which makes very good use of 8G of RAM. I can run multiple
> simultaneous simulations or place and routes. If all you are doing is a
> little web browsing then you don't need a lot of memory, but if you are
> doing any kind of heavy duty computing or if you are running multiple
> VMs, then you can easily use 8G.

Yes, certainly. But Linux is nothing for the casual users that wants
to play
games, because, unfortunately, the game-producers don't give a damn
about
Linux-users and release their software for Windows only. There are a
few
exceptions, notably Id Software and there're a few Unreal Tournament
iterations for Linux, but that's about it for big titles.
And I don't have good experience with wine, the Windows Emulator,
either.
I know it plays WoW and Warcraft III fine, but it's not 100%
compatible to
the sometimes very clumsy gameing-software out there.

If this situation was different, I wouldn't have switched back to
windows as my
main desktop PC.

Daniel
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On Nov 4, 12:46 pm, "Bob Johnson" <m... RemoveThis @getlost.com> wrote:
> My nephew gave me an Asus A8N-E MB and a 7900GT vid card from his old
> system. I've never done AMD before.
>
> What would be a cheap OC build for this including best bang for the buck CPU
> and memory, if anything?
>
> thx
>
> bob

Right now my gaming rig has a A8N32-SLI deluxe with 2 gigs of ram,
with two 7950GTs in SLI. Even though it's now obsolete, it can still
run all modern games on the highest detail possible. I'm running that
with a dual core opteron, which i haven't had any problems whatsoever
OCing. I mean sure, if you can get the Core2 for a reasonable price,
then go for it. I got lucky that I got most of my parts on the cheap
lol. And recognizable brands like Corsair, eVga, etc.
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>
> AMD CPUs don't overclock well with stock cooling. If you want to
> overclock then get an Intel Core2, they have a lot more margin in them.
> Obviously you'll have to get another motherboard if you go Core2.
>

I have an AM2 4400 65watt (Brisbane core) running at 2.84Ghz running the
standard heat sink & fan. An average day where I live is 38 degrees Celsius
and my cpu runs around 45 - 50 degrees at full load. So "some"of the AMD
cpu's OC very well IMO.

JD
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